Dec. 2, 2025

How to Lead Big Visions Without Losing Trust

How to Lead Big Visions Without Losing Trust
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Leadership at the highest level isn’t about having all the answers. It’s about navigating risk, building trust, and knowing when it’s time to pivot toward something even bolder.

In this powerful episode of Beyond Confidence, host Divya Parekh sits down with Russ Walsh, a Silicon Valley executive and cybersecurity leader who has advised top global firms from Google to GE—and is now channeling decades of experience into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects of our time.

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Good morning everyone. I know it's week after Thanksgiving and

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I don't know about y'all. I'm it's still got food

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and just sometimes it's just hard to come back from holidays.

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But that said, we are ready to get your week going.

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And it's important to pay attention to December because a

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lot of people kind of like relax off. But the

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key is remember that December, especially if you're looking for a.

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Job or if you're doing any transitions, this is the

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time when a lot of like networking and all that

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happens in so keep your eyes out on that.

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And today we are bringing you a wealth of.

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Leadership and a lot of different things with our wonderful

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guest Russ Walch.

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Welcome, Russ, Hi, How are you good? How are you doing?

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Welcome on Pard great great here in the San Francisco

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Bay area. A beautiful morning, wonderful.

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So Russ, tell us as to.

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Then you started out, and do you recall a moment

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in your childhood or when you were young youth if

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somebody left a posted mark on you.

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Definitely. I grew up in a pretty happy family situation.

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Two older brothers. We played a lot of sports, but

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everybody was pretty encouraging. We got along well, and I

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was definitely different.

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Uh you know, I was.

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Building legos when I was three years old and just

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kind of a bit of a nerd, but kind of fun,

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a little bit of a prankster and things like that.

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Uh So we had a lot of fun growing up.

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But I think for me, remember in high school somebody said,

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have you thought about going into engineering? I had no

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idea what that was, and I ended up choosing the

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path of electrical slash computer engineering, and that's led me

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down the kind of the technology route that brought me

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to Silicon Valley about twenty five years ago.

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Yeah, like Silicon Valley back then, I think, so those

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were the beginnings. So then you ca, let's kind of

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compare like you know at that time and now. So

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when you were back then, what was it like five

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years back?

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Oh God, that's a great question. It was a strange boom.

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It was a couple of years after the dot com

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and the Internet had launched, so there were a lot

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of companies who had gone big time. Yahoo was one

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of the leading tech companies of the time. They still survived.

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They're still around and you don't seem to hear much

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about them anymore. But they're just kind of they're chipping away.

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But well, yeah, aol exactly. They used to send everybody

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a floppy disk and the mail once a.

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Week, oh yeah, and in the United would go oh yeah.

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Every time you logged in, it had to reload new

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versions and everything. But it was pretty cool that it

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all came together the way it did. Uh. I ended

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up I was working at IBM, my last thing I

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did before I got the chance to come to Silicon Valley,

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and IBM was a great company.

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I really enjoyed it. But you know, the nature of

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the job I had at that time was a travel job.

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Every week, jump on an airplane and and and go

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work somewhere. And they would usually be like six to

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twelve month projects. So I spent a lot of time

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where you are in the really Durham area home on

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a big project for IBM. Loved that area, but still

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was hard. I had a young family then. But uh,

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one of my co workers IBM said, Hey, there's a

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colleague of mine who wants to hire for a job

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in Coupertino, California. I was like, where is that.

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I have no idea, and she goes, oh.

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That's kind of the hardest Silicon Valley, right where Apple's

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headquartered and everything. And about six weeks later after that conversation,

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I was on an airplane landing there and starting work

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in kuber Tina with my family there, and it was

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nice and I went from a commute of literally four

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or five hundred miles by airplane every week to about

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four hundred feet literally. My office was right next to

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the building we ended up living in, so I could

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literally go get a diet coke out of the fridge

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if if we didn't have one at the office. So, uh,

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some pretty funny stories, but you know, at that time,

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you know, Silicon Valley was booming. It was almost terrifying

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in a sense where prices like rent prices of were

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going up fifty percent a year and people were, you know,

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had who had been paying fifteen hundred dollars a month

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to rent, you know, in nineteen ninety eight, were suddenly

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paying four thousand, five hundred to rent by the end

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of two thousand. But then the whole Dot com thing happened,

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and it was just kind of a crazy mess. When

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it first started, it was I got caught in a

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layoff myself, and I think in the first two weeks

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I was kind of looking for something. I was probably

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having two to three job interviews a day. I mean,

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there were just so many openings. But then when things

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really kind of broke a few months later, Cisco was

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the one that really broke the backbone of Silicon Valley.

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They were the leader, head of Yahoo, just growing, expanding.

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They were the Google of that time. And when they

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suddenly started realizing they weren't growing anymore, in fact, they

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were having to make cuts, that changed the game in

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Silicon Valley. By the summer of two thousand and one,

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if you could find anybody who'd give you an interview,

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it was a shock.

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It was just really is big of.

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An economic and i'd say employment drought as I've ever

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seen certainly went through another one in two thousand and eight,

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two thousand and nine out here and right now, honestly,

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it's a pretty bad one. That are It's not getting

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a lot of news, but tech sector right now is

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really struggling. There's so many people, probably one out of

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four people I know in tech have been out of

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work or are.

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Currently out of work here.

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So it's it's a strange time honestly.

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Yeah. No, absolutely, And I've got a lot of my clients,

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you know, coming from tech companies, and I find them

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they're either worried about being laid off or you know,

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it can be because of the economy where we are

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going through and you know it's very cyclical, or because

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of AI.

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Like recently I heard because the.

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AI subdivision of IBM, like the company that you work

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for in the news. I think, so a couple of

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days back, because their AI division is booming, they're planning

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to lay off for thousands of people. Oh wow, So

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kind of if you kind of go through these situations,

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technical environments, as you men, there can be a boom,

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so like AI is coming up, right, and then they

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need to hire more people like okay, we got to go,

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go go, and then once you have reached that plateau,

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then you kind of let go. So there's in these

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technical environments there's always so much ambiguity. So how did

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you scale trust as an executive.

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When the dot com meltdown happened. LinkedIn didn't exist. There

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really weren't those kinds of social networks, so I really

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didn't have a big network out here at all. It

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was a tough ride for me, but things opened up

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that you know, I believe there's a god and he

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made things happen at the right time and doors opened up.

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I moved out here with the intention of starting my

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own software company at some point. When I was in

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it the first part of my career, I was really

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good at writing systems to manage server farms and things

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like that before we even call them server farm arms

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and data centers.

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And even at IBM, you know, it's considered one of

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their top programmers in that regard. So but I knew

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one thing, you know, creating software and selling software two

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very different things. And I'd always been so much in

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the technical side, it was far removed from, you know,

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the business side of it. So when I moved to

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Silicon Valley and worked for a startup, that was my

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chance to I got as as a sales engineer. So,

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I mean, my first day off the plane, I'm literally

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in front of companies like eBay, I think Yahoo and

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a couple of.

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The other ones.

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Literally we were out there, you know, talking with them

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about different things that we could do on the technology front.

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And that was really good for me to get used

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to that notion, because I remember saying at some point

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I'd love to be able to say I've been inside

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the headquarters of one hundred companies, because when I moved here,

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I'd only been the headquarters of one company in my

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whole life at that point, because I'd always worked a

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bit remotely for the companies.

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And never had a reason to go to the HQ.

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And I think now I counted it up that I've

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probably been inside one hundred and fifty, if not two

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hundred corporate headquarters in the last twenty five years. And

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you know, ended up being heavily involved with Facebook's IPO

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about fourteen years ago. So it's been an interesting ride

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of all the different things I've had a chance to do.

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Worked with a lot of really innovative startup companies who

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went public.

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I started working with.

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A little company called Google when they were about three

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hundred employees in two thousand and one two thousand and

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two and watching them kind of break out a part

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of a building on the Intuit Campus to becoming you know,

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the mega conglomerate that they've become. So I've watched a

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lot of really interesting companies grow from literally a couple

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of other ones I worked with were less than one

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hundred people when I started working with them that are

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over ten thousand employees now. So it's pretty exciting to

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see how that works. And sometimes you can just look

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at the leadership and like, this company's gonna make it.

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You could just see something about the nature the chemistry

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of the way they were working. Z Scale is a

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good example. When I worked with them about twelve years ago.

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I just saw the leadership and the way they did

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things was amazing. And their first like I think their

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first one hundred customers all came out of the fortune

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five hundred, which is extremely difficult to do.

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But once you've done that, you know, it's a.

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Whole lot easier to get the smaller guys when you've

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already proven you can do the big guys.

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And they were just brilliant and they're doing very well now.

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So it's been.

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Interesting to watch this.

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So you have been through a lot, like when you're

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talking about the IPO and seeing the growth and sustainability

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of companies like Google and Facebook. So there is a

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whole lot of difference. So let's say you know when

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you learn in dog years because I've been part of

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There is more relationship building and they're more intimacy and

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more trust. But now that you go to the IPO,

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it's all about focus on money. So as people are

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working their way through, what would you tell the professionals

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and leaders going through that time.

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a good advisor over the years of guttingmed Roger Royce.

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on Arrival, I think is what it was called. Because

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so many startups make serious mistakes in the first year

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or two. Sometimes they give away too much equity, they

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make promises they shouldn't have, They bring people in when

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they you know, way before they need to, and it

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really sets things up for failure. The ones who seem

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to do it right are the ones who the leaders

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know one has time to add the right people and

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how to how to manage things. They know how to

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go get customers early in the game and get buy in,

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you know, because you can build something in a vacuum,

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but if you don't have a customer who really wants

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what you're building, it doesn't matter. And I think that's

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kind of the story of the scalers. Jay chaudry knew

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how to talk to the customers who had to need

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a major need and he said, hey, if we build this,

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will this you know, be something you deploy it? You know,

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major like I said, Fortune one hundred companies and they're like, yeah,

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this is what we need. And when he gave them

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the alpha and beta versions, like hey, this works, this

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is solving a huge problem for us, and boom, there

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you go. So there's a lot of things about making

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sure you've got a product, a market, and then you've

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also got the right people around you and a business roadmap.

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years taking that plan of what's your five year model,

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you know, and you've got to think about all those

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things from who are we going to hire, when are

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we going to hire them, how much is that going

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to cost? And are we going to have an office

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and all those things because you have to roll it in.

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Silicon Valley was if you need to borrow money, you say,

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start with a series a round or an angel round,

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and that when you show your cash flow model, you

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never go below fifty percent because they know you're going

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to spend more than you have and your income coming

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from a customer's accounts payable always is later than you think.

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But it's interesting to watch how companies really take that.

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And so many have done well, so many haven't. I

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think they still say, what four out of five.

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Don't make it right?

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Yeah, and that is the case, and you provided some

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very key markers for success over here.

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So keeping that in mind.

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where you led the consulting form as the CEO. So

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tell us more about your journey to the rise of

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CEO and what was the journey like.

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It's been interesting. So I've been this is my third time,

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if you will, kind of running my own ship. The

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first time was a software company and we had a

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lot of success. We got customers on board, we create

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a product for at that time, backing up desktop and

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laptop computers, and we've had people reasonably like can you

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bring that back?

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We still have a gap here.

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We you know, sometimes people accidentally delete their box or

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Google drive shares and there's not a great safety net

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to recover. But the first time that was it, and

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it was a kind of traditional Silicon Valley model of

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we're going to build a software product and scale it.

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when you.

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Delivered software, you literally is own a CD ROM. People

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would install it and everything else. And then Salesforce changed

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the game and started net Suite back in about two

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thousand and six, two thousand and eight, to where you

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just you know their application, You log in on the

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website and you're up in runnings. You know, you can

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go from like a conversation like we're having now to

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ten minutes later. You know, you're running Salesforce, right, It

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wasn't that you had to buy all that equipment and

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plan for six to twelve months to implement a software product.

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So I was part of that and then I worked

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and it got the chance to work at ey Urst

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and Young, one of the big four account firms during

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Sarbean's Oxley. When that kind of broke in the aftermath

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of the inrun meltdown, which you probably remember that, which

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was a big part of the whole dot com meltdown.

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Some of the dot com meltdown was due to some

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fraud that was going on. People were manipulating their numbers

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and how much they were earning, and all of a

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sudden their stock prices are going through the roof. But

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it wasn't based on reality, and some cases based on

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some really false data. But nonetheless, having seen that, it

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created a whole new economy, if you will, in Silicon

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value of all these major tech companies had to go

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through these audits that they never did before. And now

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it's been going on for over twenty years, but that

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really brought Silicon Valley back to life to a certain degree.

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Anybody in tech who was kind of underemployed or unemployed

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had the chance to kind of step in and do

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some degree of audit. I jumped in on that myself

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and it's been an interesting ride to do risking, compliance

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and things like that. So at e Y when I

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came on board. About six months, they're like, okay, we

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need you in charge the whole Silicon Valley region for

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our small to medium clients. So it was like seventy

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plus clients. So I'm you know, at that time.

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Apple and Google.

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Apple was still trying to come back, you know, they

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were still not the mega giant they are. They hadn't

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invented the iPhone just yet that was about to break through.

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companies was really a great opportunity.

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And then I ended up going to work with one

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of my clients, a.

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Company called Opswear that was run by Mark and Dresen

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and Ben Horowitz, and about a year after I got there,

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they got bought by HP, and Mark and Ben went

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on to start there andres and Horowitz one of the

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probably the leading v season in the world now and

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have had tremendous success funding new ideas, new initiatives. But

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I maintained the relationship with Ben and especially and quite

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a lot of the other leaders there over the years,

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and it turned out I went back to a small

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consulting company after the HP acquisition, and it's kind of

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like a small version of EY and it was nice

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I was there for about five years. Again, that's where

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we got the chance to do the Facebook IPO. We

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were working with Twitter, we were working with a lot

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of leading tech companies, but I broke out and did

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my own thing for about five years, my own consulting practice.

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So the first time as a CEO was a software company,

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the second time was a consulting company, which are very

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different business models. And then I ended up working at

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GE and building out a new business unit that they

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were taken on from about twenty sixteen to twenty twenty two.

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And that's what led me to kind.

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Of where I am today of this new initiative which

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is in climate, such a different genre for me, but

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really fun and really exciting. So that's kind of where

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I'm at today, and it's very interesting where we are

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and can't wait to talk more about that.

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Yeah, no, absolutely, So when you mentioned about that, you

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know you did the consulting company.

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You have being part of.

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An employed professional as well as a foundering your own company.

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So what would you say are the different lessons you've

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learned from both the journeys.

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Yeah, definitely interesting. The first time I've made some of

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those mistakes of giving away ownership of the company a

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little too early in the game. And one thing I

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learned with my consultancy that which was about ten years

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later when I started that I didn't I never gave

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away a dime. It's like, I'll just pay people for

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their time and we'll take it at that approach because

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then I, you know, I get full control if I

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want to go left or right, I don't have to

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answer to a team of people. Especially if you find

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yourself to where you'll have less than fifty percent ownership,

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then it's just politics and it's it's very challenging to

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navigate those waters. So that's been one thing that you know,

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I had learned the same way. Right now, I still

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own one hundred percent of the company. Will I give

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away some It depends. Right now, we're this is a

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very strange company. This is more of a movement than

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it is, you know, a product or service this time,

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because we're trying to get the world to become aware of,

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you know, a.

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Real big problem they're not that aware of.

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Everybody hears the word or the phrase climate change. You know,

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whether you like it or not, it just comes up.

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It's been coming up for decades now. Greenhouse gases. We've

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been hearing about that for a while, But when it

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comes to sea level rise, I've got friends who live

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at the coast too, aren't that aware of it, And

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especially people who don't live near the coastal areas, they

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don't realize what's happening. But you know, the sea has

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gone up nine inches in the last one hundred and

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twenty five years, and this is a century in twenty

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five years. It's going up twice as fast as it

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did last year and continue to accelerate. And why nine

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inches might not sound like a lot in some places

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where the sea is pushing in, It's kind of like,

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I use the term of the concept, if you build

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the same castle on a be each right, and no

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matter how well you pack that, as soon as that

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first wave hits it, that thing's going to collapse. Right.

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A lot of the land around the world is not rock,

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it's softer soil. So when as the sea rises nine inches,

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the land itself can sink. And that's what's happening in

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Bangladesh and Indonesia and even in some parts of the

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Bay Area. Florida is having big problems with that. New

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York a lot of areas that are along the coast

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and are dealing with that. But the sea could go

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up in the worst case more than two hundred feet.

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It's done it before. I mean, I'm from South Carolina

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and in fact, Raley, you're not too far away from

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that sand line where the beach used to come in.

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We don't know if that was four thousand years ago

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or four million years ago, but nonetheless it's happened, and

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we can't let that happen. You know, that was different

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at that point in time where civilization is. You know, like, okay,

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the sea's going up an inch a year, they can

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easily move away, right, they had time to pack up

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their tents or whatever. But we've built so much infrastructure

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along coastal regions that that would just be devastating.

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And that, sadly is if.

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You read the top books out there, everything's about retreat.

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That we're going to have to go to higher ground.

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And that's a terrible option, I think when you think

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so many countries don't even have land over two hundred feet,

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so they're saying, okay, you'll just fall into non existence.

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The Maldives they're already saying they'll be gone in thirty years.

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I mean, these are realistic things you can look up.

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These are coming from National Geographic, PBS, BBC, you know,

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major trustworthy news outlets that are reporting this. So it's

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probably the biggest problem the planet is faced. And the

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sad thing is most people are proposing solutions that are

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just traditional that won't work to beyond a couple more

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feet of sea level rise, and we're proposing what if

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we can just redirect the ocean, and we're getting.

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Some more proposal rs. You mentioned that this is a movement,

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so tell us about that.

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Yeah, I mean, we've got to get the mindset shift.

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We love the way that you know, climate change awareness

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has has been done very well, maybe to an extent

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to too much, and some of the doomsday picture that's

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been painted that if this temperature rises three more degrees,

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we're all going to burn up. You know, some people

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have that perception and that's not the case, that's not reality.

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I mean, I'm here in some parts of the world

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right now because the temperatures have gone up and climbs

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are moderated, they have two growing seasons now in some

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areas of the world. So it's been kind of a

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00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.480
blessing for in some ways, but at the same time,

472
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:46.480
you know, the climate issue of as temperatures rise and

473
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:48.720
the melting ice is the problem.

474
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:49.559
I mean.

475
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.359
Is for anybody who's a naysayer, the whole issue of

476
00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:01.400
the discussions that major leaders of trees are having about

477
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.880
warfare in the Arctic. You couldn't have that conversation forty

478
00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.200
years ago. But now that the ice is melting in

479
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.599
the seasonal periods and it's opening that area up to

480
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.880
where ships can traverse across there, including military ships, it's

481
00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:20.000
a whole different game. So things have happened. Fortunately right now,

482
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.279
it's happening at a very slow level, because again we've

483
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.440
only gone up a few inches and we're a long

484
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:26.400
way from going up two hundred feet and we're not

485
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.599
seeing that that's going to happen this century. But they

486
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.519
are saying it could go up three feet more before

487
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.160
the end of the century, which is really alarming, and

488
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.160
we have to do something about it. And that's kind

489
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.440
of what I'm about, because we've got to get that

490
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:43.799
mindset of we got to start thinking about water. Where

491
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.799
do we put the water, because the water's going to melt.

492
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.200
We can't stop that. You know, the process is already

493
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:52.200
in place, but it's like, what if we can do

494
00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.000
something really useful with the water and have a great

495
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.200
outcome from this. I mean, you just look at about

496
00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.640
a third of the world's land is on usable because

497
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.799
there's no water. The Sahara is huge, right, it's about

498
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.119
the size of China mainland. And you look at the

499
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.279
Australia similarly, eighty percent of it's fairly uninhabited because they

500
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.480
have no water. So it's like, okay, what if we

501
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.400
can take the water from the rising seas, redirected inland

502
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.079
and change the game to where forty years from now

503
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:22.599
you look at Western Australia from the air and it

504
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.799
looks like the Amazon, right, a lot of water, a

505
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:30.559
lot of hills covered with forest and agriculture, and you know,

506
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:33.799
really to change the game on this and then create

507
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.799
viable economic economies where people can live and thrive. It's

508
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:40.119
really getting exciting.

509
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.720
And how how would that happen? What would that You've

510
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.960
given me the vision? Yeah, what would the vision look like?

511
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.119
And of course you know, having Amazon and forest and

512
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.640
agriculture and booming economy, everybody's.

513
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:57.480
Looking for that, there's no question about it. But what

514
00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:58.680
would be the pathway to it.

515
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:01.079
I think this is where you've got to really get

516
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.720
the leaders who are driving climate issues and other international issues.

517
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:08.799
This has got to get in front of them to

518
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.799
where they go, Okay, somebody's got a solution to this.

519
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.839
It's going to be costly, but gosh, I just got

520
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:19.519
off the conference two weeks ago of virtual conference with

521
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.599
leaders from Singapore, the Netherlands who are dealing with sea

522
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.240
level rise and the tens of billions of dollars they're

523
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.519
planning to spend building seawalls and levees and moving ports

524
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.599
and all this all to deal with sea level rise

525
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.759
is crazy. If you add it all up, I mean

526
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.880
it's four hundred thousand miles of global coastline. I mean

527
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.400
it's in the tens of not hundreds of trillions that

528
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.799
there were forecasting to spend to fight sea level rise

529
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.880
over the coming decades. It's crazy. And a lot of

530
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:50.400
times people don't even know that their local tax dollars

531
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:52.319
are going to some of these things. That they keep

532
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:54.400
it fairly quiet. But go look at the website of

533
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.599
any coastal city and how in America, and they have

534
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:00.319
a section of what they're doing about sea level and

535
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.960
how much money they're spending kind of quietly as well.

536
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.000
But the bottom line here is what if And this

537
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.480
is what's interesting. I just was reading last week about

538
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.960
an article that what they're doing to try to bring

539
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.799
back forestation in different parts of the world, the Amazon

540
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.200
Africa and their funds now to kind of incentivize people

541
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:20.960
not to clear cut. If you will leave that land alone,

542
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:24.240
here's some money to kind of compensate that. It's like

543
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.359
we kind of create these as I'd call them world parks,

544
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.000
not national parks, and it's an essence like we're going

545
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.839
to protect that area. And so there are people doing that.

546
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.799
So the notion that what if we could take a

547
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.880
portion of the funds that Singapore and all these places

548
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:42.240
are budgeting to spend and say, let's use that money

549
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.160
to build these inland seas and redirect the sea inland,

550
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.079
and then it's not so much necessarily that we're going

551
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.960
to solve that problem totally with that method, it's maybe

552
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.279
the largest portion of it.

553
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.599
But also to capture water where it's falling.

554
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.720
We've got property in the Philippines, and the Philippines has

555
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:02.519
just been hit so hard this year with their seasonal rains.

556
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.400
Typhoon after typhoon and ninety nine percent of that water

557
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.000
went into the ocean, right, it just ran away. We

558
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:11.039
could have captured some of that and some of those

559
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.799
mountainous areas that are fairly uninhabited, and it's going to

560
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.920
be a game of where do we capture the water.

561
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.039
That's what we're looking at, and certainly is better to

562
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.160
capture it fresh water if we can. So what if

563
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.160
somebody can say, Okay, we're going to build some reservoirs

564
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:29.000
in our mountains and it's going to be worth one

565
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.559
inch of sea level rise, right, and if we can say,

566
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.039
you know what, that's worth one hundred billion dollars. And

567
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.359
so even if you're in central Africa, far away from

568
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.279
the coast, and you have the rainfall and you say, hey,

569
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:46.079
we're going to build these reservoirs and the World Fund

570
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.319
would would give us billions of dollars for doing that,

571
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:51.200
then economically that's great.

572
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.759
Then you created this water space.

573
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.680
You can create agricultural systems that are much more maintainable

574
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.440
fresh water sources. So there's a lot of benefits that

575
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.400
could come from that. But in the end, if we

576
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.559
find ourselves forty years from now, you know, we took

577
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.599
the sea down afoot. You know, Miami Beach at high

578
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.440
tide still has fifty yards of beach to walk on

579
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.640
before you hit the water line. Those kind of things

580
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.279
are a possibility of what we're looking at, that we

581
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.480
can really flip this on its head and find ourselves

582
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.720
getting ahead of the sea level rise a little bit

583
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.279
to where you know, at the end of the century,

584
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.039
perhaps you know we've taken the sea down two or

585
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.920
three feet, and again we've created more land around the

586
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.640
world than we had instead of losing it.

587
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.200
Yeah, those definitely make sense. And I know this is

588
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.960
a small thing that a lot of my neighbors are doing.

589
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.799
And here's the thing I always say that, you know,

590
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:54.039
every little bit counts. A lot of people are collecting

591
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:59.400
the rainwater and in the barrels and all that. Definitely

592
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.279
given that and kind of coming back to the professionals,

593
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:08.519
right that you have the vision and you went from

594
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.440
owning three different companies and.

595
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.119
Starting a movement, what would.

596
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.039
You tell a lot of like gen zs and millennials

597
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.599
who want to have meaning in their lives and sometimes

598
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.920
they're not happy, whether it is because of a toxic

599
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.519
boss or because they're laid off, or it could be

600
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.759
all their efforts are going into a company, and if

601
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.799
they're looking to start their own company, what would be

602
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:34.799
your message to them.

603
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.160
That's a great lead in. And you know, one thing

604
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.400
I'm really been excited about. I've got three daughters of

605
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.240
my own, so for them, the future I've got a

606
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:47.039
grandson now, the future they have is really important to me,

607
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.200
and it's extremely exciting. Is I've had some of these

608
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:55.480
conversations the past year. Climate has just been this really

609
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.720
doomsday dark cloud. To most people, this is terrifying. They

610
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.839
look at it and say, gosh, this is just gonna,

611
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.279
you know, make such a mess of the planet. And

612
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.880
when you flip the narrative and say, what if this

613
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.200
the climate change is one of the best gifts the

614
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.519
Earth's given us since the electricity and steel, right, the

615
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.039
possibilities of what we could do to transform parts of

616
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:24.240
the world, and it gets people really excited, really hopeful

617
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.680
that wow, we could have a good outcome, we could

618
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.400
have something really special. And I know people who are

619
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.240
in construction are excited because if you're in major construction

620
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.720
compans where you're building bridges and you know, in Dubai

621
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.480
and you're building tunnels in Sydney, Australia every four or

622
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.960
five to seven years. You know, you're bouncing around to

623
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:44.640
some other part of the world. You got to take

624
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.240
your family if you can even do that, and go

625
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.000
to these places.

626
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.200
But the notion that you could move to the.

627
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:57.480
Sahara or parts of Australia and for seven generations you

628
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.279
could build this thing right these inland seas, and your

629
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.480
family can just thrive and put down roots and and

630
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.359
and grow in a new way without feeling like completely transient. Right,

631
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.240
and then these people get apart be a part of

632
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.440
planning these brand new areas, right, areas that when they

633
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.319
you know, essentially part of what we're talking about. When

634
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.480
we dig these lakes, it's like where do we put

635
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.559
the dirt? Well, the dirt, you know, we build hills

636
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.160
around it, man made hills, and at some point, you know,

637
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.440
we may fill the lakes in higher to at some

638
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:30.079
point if we need to. But these, I mean, people

639
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.440
dream of living in the south of France, right we

640
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.039
have the mountains and the sea right there. We spent

641
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:40.319
our holidays last Christmas in the South of Spain and

642
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.319
that also has beautiful mountains coming right down to the coast.

643
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.599
We could even see Gibraltar from where we were and stuff,

644
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.319
and so imagine landscapes where people lived where once I

645
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.480
perhaps you can see the ocean on the other side,

646
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.759
you see this beautiful new lake that's that's huge and

647
00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:00.880
just breathtaking. The possibilities are really exciting of what we

648
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.400
could create as we go through this. And what's also

649
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:07.960
interesting is again greening these places up to a point

650
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.160
where you know, water systems and then forest and along

651
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.279
the coast of where we might build these lakes and

652
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.440
the canals coming in, we build mangroves and coral reefs

653
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:20.000
and things that.

654
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.240
Are very good for pulling the.

655
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.000
Greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere. So there's a lot

656
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.599
of things that we can get is really good byproducts

657
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.640
of the whole process and doing this.

658
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.359
Yeah, no, absolutely, I think. So that's such a beautiful

659
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.799
vision to hold on to. And I'm sure that you

660
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.279
know as you're building the movement, because we need those

661
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.240
as you said, those you know, these are there, these

662
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:47.160
barren lends in Australia, Sahara, and if we can get

663
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.000
them back, it would be so good for the humanity.

664
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.759
Right, So what's next for you?

665
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.680
Well, again, we've got a long way to go, and

666
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.920
I really do appreciate you allowing us to be a

667
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.519
part of this podcast, you know, week it seems now

668
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.640
we're getting a chance to talk with more media outlets

669
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.680
like this, including some of the major news outlets of

670
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.039
the ABC, CBS and so forth, have approach me in

671
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.920
the last few weeks to talk about this as well,

672
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.199
to get this further out there. But again, we've got

673
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.480
a long way to go. Nonetheless, we're making some real

674
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:26.559
great inroads bit by bit. Yesterday I spoke with the

675
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.280
CEO of one of the largest geo construction companies in

676
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.039
the world. They're based here in Silicon Valley, and the

677
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.960
CEO and I were talking about the possibility of Right now,

678
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.239
probably the largest earth moving equipment in the world is

679
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.800
about the size of a house, you know, a good

680
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.039
sized house, but that's pretty big, right But when we

681
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.400
were talking yesterday about what if we could build earth

682
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.519
moving equipment the size of a cruise ship, like one

683
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.119
hundred thousand times bigger than we've ever done before, And

684
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.760
he said he was part of designing something like that

685
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.840
forty years ago when he worked at Chevron. He said,

686
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.239
the one thing here he'll never forget is this piece

687
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:05.119
of equipment that they wanted to build was so big

688
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.079
that the tires, the tread on the tires, you know,

689
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.599
it's normally like a quarter inch on a regular standard

690
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:11.320
car tire.

691
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:14.199
He said, it was four feet just the tread. A

692
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.800
child could walk underneath it.

693
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:16.079
Right.

694
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:17.800
So the wheel on this.

695
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.480
Machine they wanted to build was something like forty or

696
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.880
fifty feet tall itself just a wheel. So this thing

697
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.159
was humongous, he said. About the time they were ready

698
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.800
to get going, the oil and gas industry took a

699
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.719
whole different shift and that never happened.

700
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:34.239
But he said it was really fun designing it.

701
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.599
But he was like, you know, there's definitely physics, physical

702
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.760
issues that are challenging to what you can build. It'll

703
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.440
float on water versus what will move on land. But

704
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.159
nonetheless he's like, you know, these are great ideas that

705
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.639
could change the game, because if we build these inland seas,

706
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.559
we're going to need to build holes and dig holes

707
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.159
in the ground the side of the Grand Canyon, maybe

708
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.480
ten of those in the next one hundred and fifty years,

709
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.639
and you know, be tough to do with standard equipment.

710
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:02.519
But if we had.

711
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.119
Bulldozers the size of cruise ships. We might be able

712
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.480
to did the Grand Canyon in five years, and and

713
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:10.440
and and so forth.

714
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So the possibilities are really exciting.

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Mm.

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Absolutely, Well, we issue well res you know as you

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keep on taking this journey and hopefully there's a whole

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lot more to come for the humanity and you know,

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open up new vistas and vision and economy. So any

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last words for our listeners.

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I mean, this is like I said, at this point,

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it's a movement. We're trying to get world leaders ultimately

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behind this. So over the next few weeks, uh, I

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mean this week later on, we're talking with people from

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NASA who are heading up global sea level rise issues

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and we're excited to bring this idea in front of them.

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And again the people who will be joining are from academia, uh,

728
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some executives from some of the major construction companies, insurance companies.

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We're bringing all this together and the hope so getting

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to a point where okay, this is ready to go.

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We're going to do something here. And we're starting to

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have conversations about where would we build this, you know,

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how fast do we need to build it, where are

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we going to fund it? Those conversations I certainly hope

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we're going to take off in twenty twenty six, and

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some of them may take off before we get to

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the end of the year. So it's pretty interesting what

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the possibilities are. And for people who are just watching

739
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on the sidelines who want to chip in, you know,

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they can email me it Russ at russwalur info at

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Russwalsh dot com or Russ at Russwalsh dot com and

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we'll do what we can to follow up with you

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and let you know more about what's happening and continue

744
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to watch and track the scene at is kind of

745
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our hashtag and you can see as this continues to develop.

746
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But Deva, thank you so much for having us be

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a part of this, for sharing the message, and I

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hope it does end up being some than ten years

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from now we look back and like, wow, that show

750
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really helped fuel the movement in the right direction.

751
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Absolutely, So you didn't mention your email else they can

752
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connect you.

753
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What about your website and.

754
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We're building the website.

755
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The website's coming up soon. This has been happening so fast,

756
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you know that I've got a book coming out in

757
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January that really walks through the whole thing. I'm hoping

758
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the book will be, you know, like Harry Potter a

759
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series where a few years from now, we're writing the

760
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.719
next book and it's about Okay, now it's starting to happen. Right,

761
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where are we building this, what's happening, how are we

762
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funding it right? I'd love to find myself twenty years

763
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from now writing the fourth or fifth book and at

764
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that point like, Okay, this is real, this is happening.

765
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It's going to go on, hopefully a part of critical

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world infrastructure for the next hundreds of years. But I'd

767
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love for my grandson perhaps to step in and take

768
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over the project someday and be driving it fifty years

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from now and really seeing what happens. That's kind of

770
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my hope and vision where it goes.

771
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Absolutely, thank you for joining us and we wish you

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all the best in creating this wonderful vision for our

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next generation and listeners support Rush whicher way you can,

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and be well. Take care untill next time.

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Thank you for being part of Beyond Confidence with your host,

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d v Park, we hope you have learned more about

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