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This is beyond confidence and now here's your host, giv Park.
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Good morning listeners. It's Tuesday morning, and I want to
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share a story. One of my clients just yesterday had
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been talking about being motivated and yet feeling stock and
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so many times, you know, there's that overwhelm, not knowing
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you know what's important, what's not important. And I'm sure
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that it's not only my client, but it's most of
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us who'll go through that. And that's what we will
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be tackling today. And before we bring in our guest,
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I do want to thank you for getting the book
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our guests.
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Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome.
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John's fantastic to have you on board. And just wanted
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to see if you recall a moment or a time
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in your life when somebody just left that indelible mark
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on you a positive one.
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I was very fortunate to have a lot of great
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mentors and coaches in my life, and one of the
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most pivotal mentors I had his name was Skip, and
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this is back when I was in engineering teen years
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I led test operations with NASA and elite military units
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on the civilian side, and the Skip was the person
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who hired me. So he was a wealth of practical
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knowledge and probably one of the biggest things that he
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taught me was how to communicate with not only the
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people that were leading, but making sure that the people
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at hiership leadership hire leadership tiers are up to speed
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so they can make the decisions they need to, but
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also making sure that the people that are on the
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same leadership tiers as you are up to speed also
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in case they need to step in or even just
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offer assistance. So he called it, you know, his up,
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down and across communications method. So one of my one
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of my mentors that that really just spoke a lot
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of life into me, with probably one of the biggest
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things being the up down in a cross framework. He
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shared with me.
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What drew you to engineering?
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So my dream, my entire life, was to be in
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the US military, and whenever I applied, when I was
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coming to the end of my high school career, I
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was disqualified due to a congenital health issue that qualified
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me from service. So I was pretty rudderless. And I
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think a high school guidance counselor just said, well, you
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should consider going into engineering because you're good in math
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and science and in that phase of my life, as
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a lot of teenagers are. But I carried it through
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with me. I didn't really think ahead. I just would
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kind of just go with the flow. I would say,
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you know, I forced gumped my way through life, just
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kind of bounced from one thing to the other and
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found myself in engineering school at the Pennsylvania State University,
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and you know, went through it and struggled a lot,
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but eventually, you know, got degreed and that's how I
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ended up. There was never a lifelong aspiration. It was
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kind of like, Okay, well let me see if I
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can if I can do this because I have some
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of the core skill sets to make it happen.
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Oh definitely, And sometimes as you mentioned that we don't
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know what life is going to bring for us, and
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when we go with the flow, it makes things much
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easier and it becomes more of an adventure rather than
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a end of her that they're your using up your energy.
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Mm hmm absolutely, yeah, yeah, being being flexible, you know,
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and that I've come to realize that a lot of
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the reason why I didn't want to set goals when
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I was younger or really think about, you know, where
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do I want to be in five years? Looking back
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on it, it's because I was scared of not meeting
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those goals because at that phase in my life, part
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of my story was I have very low confidence, right,
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I had very little belief in my abilities despite having
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a track record success. So I would not set lofty goals.
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I would not speak out about what I wanted to
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do because I thought, oh my gosh, I already feel
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bad enough about myself. I don't need more information telling
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me I can't do what I say I'm going to do.
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And it wasn't until I had some shifts in my life,
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you know, started to stem from a tragedy about halfway
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through my engineering career that finally opened my eyes to
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setting these north stars as I like to call them
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in our life, and being okay with not knowing every
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single step that's going to happen, but just being confident
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enough to take the next step and do a course
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correction on these north stars.
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M So, how did you make that shift? You mentioned
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that at one point in time, because what happens is
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that when you lean into discomfort, fear definitely shows up,
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for sure. And did you move from that fear to
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setting gold?
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I mean, it's it was definitely a shift and not switch.
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And that's where a lot of my coaching clients I
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like to interrupt their language whenever they say, oh, I
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did it again, I need I need to switch how
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how I'm behaving, And I'm like, well, hang on a second,
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let's let's look at the language we're using. Because my
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first coach, she was so she said there was so
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much weight and importance in the language we use. And
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when we say we need to switch, a switch is immediate, right,
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like you hit a light switch and the lights go
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on or off. And if we're saying I need to
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switch my behavior, we're setting ourselves up for disappointment right
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off the bat, because we are saying I need to
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change how I'm behaving, probably have been behaving for years
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and instantaneously, you know, change and that's not real. So
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I tell my clients, let's shift into a different mindset,
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because a shift implies that it's going to take a
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little bit of time. So it was bit by bit,
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moment by moment, you know, mentor by mentor where I
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was able to eventually shift out of that mindset of
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I'm not good enough, I'm fooling everybody, you know, like
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we call it imposter syndrome now, but twenty years ago,
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I didn't have that language to know what imposter syndrome was.
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So it was it was it was a shift out
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of that mindset that took a while, and it's still
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something I have to, you know, be aware of to
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this day.
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Absolutely, and I don't think so there's anybody. And of
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course if you are their power to you. These things
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are experienced by each and every one of us, and
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it may be the degree may be less or more.
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It's how we respond to it. That's what we are
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working on. Continue sleep. So you talked about working in NASA,
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and of course Artemis has been so much and news
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and of course you know people have been fascinated with
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the astronaut's journey, and I can tell you that, you know,
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when I watch them talk, it was so unfelt and
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hot warming and hot touching. So tell us a little
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bit about your Johnny at NASA.
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Yeah, so I ended up actually getting the job. I
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already shared that. You know, I wasn't a four point
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student in college or in high school for that matter,
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so might be thinking like, well, how did I end
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up working supporting NASA as a as a civilian contractor?
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And the way I got the job was actually because
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I went the non standard path and taught rock climbing
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in college. And this gentleman's skip who hired me, he
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was his back Ronald was he was Special Forces in
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the US military, and he saw in my resume that
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I was director of rock climbing, so he saw leadership ability.
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But more importantly, he went on to tell me after
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I got hired, he said, I didn't need another egghead
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to come in here at the four point oh gpa,
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he said, because what we're doing is we are out
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in the field from Antarctica to England testing these things
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to make sure they work. He said, I don't need
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someone with a four point zero. I need someone who
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has real world capability and is not going to get themselves,
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he said, or me killed doing these test operations because
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some of the things we did we had the potential
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to be extremely hazardous. So that's how I wound up
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there again because I kind of just forced gumped through
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through life in college and like one thing didn't work
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out and I bounced and it was like, all right, well, fine,
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I'll try rock climbing. I'll learn how to do that.
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And that's actually how I ended up getting my foot
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in the door there where I stayed for fifteen years.
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So getting foot in the door is one thing, and
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keeping the job is also important. And so many times
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what happens is and I'm sure you experienced during your
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world career as you see leaders, that there's sometimes, especially
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in today's world, there's so many different opportunities. You may
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have a good job, but then something else shows up,
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or even if you're in a job, it's there's this initiative,
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that initiative, and sometimes it just comes down to priorities
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where there's so many different things that are important. So
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what are some of the ways to parse through as
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to what is important?
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What to go with. Yeah, one of the first things
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we need to recognize we need to do is give
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ourselves the space to think about these priorities. And in
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today's world, everything's so fast paced. There's no shortage of distractions.
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You know, cell phones dinging, home devices dinging, TV's dinging.
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I mean, I mean even like people's refrigerators talk to
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them these days, there's no shortage of distractions. So we
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need to be very intentional with our time and recognize
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that the human brain is not designed to go twenty
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four to seven, like, we need to build space into
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our life where we reflect on what is important to us.
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So the first thing I always tell people is when
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they're like, well, how do I make a decision? I
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have all these things going on in my head, I'm like,
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that's why my hits framework hi ts. The first thing
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is halt, like just just stop, you know, and recognize
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what's immediately important. But that first step that a lot
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of people miss, you know, the hundreds of people I coach,
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it's like you just need to you need to pump
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the brakes every so often and create that space intentionally
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so you can think and reflect about what is truly
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important to you. And if it's not coming to you
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in an instant, that's okay. If it's not something you're
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used to thinking about, your brain is just not primed
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for it. So I just help people, like, just give
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yourself space and then give yourself grace to figure out
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what's important to you.
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So you mentioned the h what about its?
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Yeah, so the HITS framework to help make clear decisions
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because I'm sure we would agree that there is no
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shortage of information coming at us at all times. Yeah, right,
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So the he is halt just just stop, and then
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the I is recognize what's important, you know, what's important?
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And I always like to throw the cave on in there,
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like what's immediately important? Because it can be very easy
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to distract ourselves with things that are, you know, seemingly important,
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but maybe they're just a distraction, so we're not doing
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the thing that we know we need to do. So