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This is Beyond Confidence with your host, Divya Parikh. Do
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you want to live a more fulfilling life? Do you
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want to live your legacy and achieve your personal, professional,
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and financial goals? Well, coming up on Divya Parikh's Beyond Confidence,
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you will hear real stories of leaders, entrepreneurs, and achievers
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who have stepped into discomfort, shattered their status quo, and
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are living the life they want. You will learn how
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relationships are the key to achieving your aspirations and financial goals.
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Moving your career or business forward does not have to
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happen at the expense of your personal or family life,
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or vice versa. Learn more at www.diviapark.com, and you can
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connect with Divya at contact at divyapark.com. This is Beyond Confidence,
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and now here's your host, Divya Park.
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Good morning, listeners. It's Tuesday. So great to be here
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with you. So many times what happens is that due
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to different reasons, you... may have to take care of
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a loved one, or you decide to spend some time
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with family, or you decide time to raise your kids.
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And that causes a career break. And the key is
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that we are apologetic about that break in the career.
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So today we are going to be talking about how
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not to be apologetic and how you can use that
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break to step into the version that you are and
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be confident about it. Also, AI is moving at such
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a rapid pace that it's going and growing leaps and bounds.
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So it's critical that you are on a path that
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is timeless and future-proof your career and your business. And
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if you're ready for that, go get the book, The
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AI Agency. And thank you for getting it because... What's
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amazing is now AI has moved from not just having chats.
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Chats are going to be a thing of yesterday. It's
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going to go into agents. From agents, we are going
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into orchestration of agents and building loops and harnessing AI.
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So if you're ready for any of that, get the book.
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And of course, we'd love to hear back from you
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as to how we can support you. Let's bring in
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our guest.
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Good morning.
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Good morning. Welcome, Anne-Marie. Excited to have this conversation with you.
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So share with us as to when you were a
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little girl, did you have any dreams of becoming something different?
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Because as children, we have so many aspirations and dreams
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are just open.
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Oh, that's a great question. Well, aside from a typical
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childhood dream of wanting to be in the circus or something,
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I started out my college career wanting to be an obstetrician.
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And I changed paths during college to become more focused
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on business and entered the corporate world.
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And what changed?
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You know, I paused and reflected on the demands, particularly
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for an obstetrician.
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And I.
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Made a decision that if I wanted to be able
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to balance work and to have a family someday in
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the future, maybe that wasn't the best path for me.
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And I quickly found out that was not necessarily true
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because I saw a lot of women and men balance
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that quite well later. But as a 19-year-old on your
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own making those decisions, that seemed like the best path
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at the time.
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Well, absolutely. And that's the key, having confidence in your decisions. Because, yes,
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a lot of people can do it, but not every
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decision that's working for someone else is the right decision
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for you. Exactly. Yeah. So as a business attracted you,
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was there someone in your life that was instrumental in
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bringing about the decision or for that matter, somebody that
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left a really strong positive mark on you where you're like,
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even to this day, yes, I remember that moment. I
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remember that person.
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Yes, most definitely. My dad, who's still with us and
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doing very well at 97. When I was a senior
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in high school, my dad was a Chicago policeman and
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also a security guard at the University of Chicago. And
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he had done that for many years. And while I
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was attending a really excellent girls' high school in Chicago... Um,
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the college counselor wasn't counseling us, um, to look at
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the university of Chicago. And, um, my dad was really
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the one who said to me, I, I think you
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need to apply there. And, and, um, see what happens.
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And I did, and I ended up having a, an
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academic scholarship and, and that's where really like my, the
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expansion of my academics, but also the type of people
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that I knew. And it's where I met my husband
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and it's really what launched my career and, and helped
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me also to a few years later, turn around and
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get my MBA at Northwestern.
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Oh, fantastic. And we hope that your dad is doing
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well and keeps doing well because it's so wonderful to
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have parents with us because they are priceless. And especially
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if you are sharing that bond with them. So as
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you stepped into your corporate career, what turns and twists
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did it take?
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I was very fortunate when I stepped into my corporate
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career to be a part of an executive training program
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at a Fortune 500 company. And so I always appreciated
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that the CEO who started that program and I was
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in the first class, let's say our cohort, was so
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focused on us as young professionals and on growing us
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in every part of the business. So it was a
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multifaceted business and We had to go to each part
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of the business and learn it. And that's something that
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I took with me throughout my career, that it's not
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just enough to know what your job is and what
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you're doing and your responsibilities, but it's very important to
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know about everyone else who's contributing to the work that
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you're doing and why their work is important and to
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let them know that their work is important too.
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Absolutely. I.
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Really like the point that you made that it's important
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to know what the other people are doing. And when
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you understand what they're doing, you're more compassionate and have
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that empathy as to, for example, just to, it refreshes
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my days from the corporate there. When you know what
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they're going through, then you make an effort to deliver
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your report on time because, you know, your output can
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be the input for someone. And sometimes, especially quality would
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be at the last and they got shortchanged the most.
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So definitely, and also allows especially young professionals to see
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how the business is running. So there's definitely two aspects
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to that, which are very powerful. So as you grew
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in your career in the corporate space, what are some
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of the lessons that you learned and the obstacles that
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you might have faced? I think one of the best.
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Lessons that I learned as a young manager was that
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you don't have to have all the answers. And I
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think that's still something that happens in every organization, not
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just corporate today, where you know, someone performs well and
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then is promoted into a management position. And it's almost
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like they're afraid to ask for help or ask questions
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lest they be thought to have been promoted without, you know,
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a good reason. So I learned that early in my career.
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And later in my career, I actually created a training
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program because I started working in a big organization that
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was growing and And I was part of a startup
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within the corporate world and saw what was happening to
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these young managers who wanted to do a good job
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and who wanted to lead their teams. But they had been,
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as I said, promoted because they did a good job
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at the operations that they were working on. And so
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it allowed them the permission to ask questions and And
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to basically have a guidebook for some of the basics
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of management. And I felt that that was really one
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of the better outcomes from something that was a lesson
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I learned that then I could bring to others and
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hopefully keep them from having to learn that lesson the
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hard way.
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No, definitely. And that is such a powerful thing because
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as you mentioned, they're individual contributors and coming with that
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mindset in the management. So it's a two-edged sword. One,
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they're hesitant to ask questions. And also, they think that
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they're supposed to know all the answers. Because now their
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peers or people who are working with them are looking
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up to them to guide them and to develop their careers.
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And another issue that happens so many times is that
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because as young managers, they think like they're not showing anything.
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output so far. And then that makes them feel like, oh,
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I'm not producing anything. So I'm not doing anything. And
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they do not see that significance of leading. That's so critical.
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And as a result, they end up in the pitfall
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of the blind spot of even micromanagement. Have you seen
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that with your clients and in your, as you train people? Yes.
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I mean, I'm sure you've seen this too, Divya, where,
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you know, the micromanagement is very tempting. especially when there's
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a challenge. Because if you're in the leadership position, people
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feel that it's their responsibility, of course, when there's a challenge.
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And the micromanagement seems to be the first level of
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involvement and resolution to jump in there and take responsibilities
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from people or reassign responsibilities so that micromanagement, which really
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keeps people from.
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Growing, right?
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So the other piece of that is a better approach
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is to ask good questions. So if there's someone who
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is not perhaps doing such a great job, I find
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that it's helpful to advise people that chances are they
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want to do a good job. And asking them You know,
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how do you think you could be doing this better?
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How do you think we could be doing this better?
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And pulling those answers helps people to actually think through
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it and come to their own conclusions and come to
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their own resolutions. And when those resolutions are viable, they're
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much more actionable. Someone is much more likely to do
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what they have said than something that is told for
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them to adopt.
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Yeah, no, definitely. That's such a relevant point, empowering people
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to think for themselves, helping them rather than delegating, rather
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than being directive, you are coaching. So I really like that,
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you know, building the coaching leaders. Yes. You have mentioned coaching.
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that so many times women have to take breaks, whether
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it's maternity leave and they're so scared, like, oh, I'll
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be gone. And there's so many things going to happen.
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Or a lot of women decide to raise kids in it. Nowadays,
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I'm seeing a lot of men as well. So did
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you personally take a pause in any of your life
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during the career? Yes, yes, definitely.
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So Divya, I had the... and the good fortune when
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I had our oldest daughter to have been working in
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the corporate world for six years and I had already
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established a reputation and a strong career with strong results.
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However, at that.
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Time in 1995, which is a long time ago, right?
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Long before any accommodations were being made for anyone. It
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really did come down for a lot of people to
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either be home full-time or in the corporate world full-time.
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And when I told my boss that I was going
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to stay home full-time, she said, well, what do we
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need to do to keep you? And I said, well,
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if I could be part-time and work from home, I
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would stay. And she said, let's make it happen. And
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so I was very fortunate to be able to not
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only be part-time for the sake of my career, but
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most importantly for my children. So I got to spend
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that time with my children while also continuing to advance
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in my career and have interesting opportunities. And so it
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really was a win-win. Now, I'm not going to tell
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you that it wasn't difficult or I was smashing full-time
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jobs into part-time hours, right? But it was win-win situation
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and gave me the time I wanted with my children.
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After about 12 years of that, of the part-time, with
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my husband's career advancing and my career advancing and both
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of us traveling and as many, many households find, the
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chaos became too much for two parents to be gone
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and to be working. And so I did stay home
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full-time for five years. Um, and during that time, um,
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you know, really grew as a person. I was already
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involved in the community, became more involved in the community
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and loved that time with my children. And then when
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I came back into, um, to my career, it was
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as an entrepreneur.
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So this brings up a lot of questions for me.
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So one of the questions that listeners may be thinking
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that you took the courage and ask That, you know,
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I want to work. Could it be part-time? So there's
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so much hesitation for people to ask that. Thinking, because
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so many times what happens is there's focus on overthinking
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that what if they say no? And now they know
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my intent. I have shared that I'm going to be
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working part-time. Will that impact my promotion? And so many
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inner critical questions going on. So how would you advise
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those women or men as to what would be the
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first step to be sure in their own decision to
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go for it?
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Well, I think just as you alluded to, Divya, if
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you don't ask, the answer is always going to be no.