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did you good to be with you? Thanks for the invitation on the show.

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Oh pleasure to have you. So
we start out from the childhood.

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So Pitts, tell us when you
were a child, did you have any

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moments that left their mark on you
and that you remember even today. That's

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a great question. And yes it
has to do with music. I'm a

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musician and I visited my aunt and
uncle's house and one of my uncles when

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I was three years old. In
nineteen sixty five, one of my uncles

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was dancing around in his underwear playing
air guitar to the Rolling Stones Satisfaction.

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And I was a little kid and
I still remember it. It was like

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wow, and he says to me, He's like, Pitts, just listen

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to the guitar. Listen to that
guitar. I still remember that today,

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and I was like, wow,
music is really powerful. This is my

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uncle who I love and respect,
and he's dancing around in his underwear to

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the Rolling Stones and I was like, so, music is so powerful.

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It's like wow, I need to
know more about music and maybe that's my

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life path. And I can definitely
relate to that because music transcends everything.

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If you find a good beat,
you may not you know, you may

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be sitting with people from fifty different
countries, you may not no single word

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of their language, and yet you
can connect. It brings people together,

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and it brings the joy. Is
this something about music that can have so

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much benefits and impact in our lives? And I can't play anything. I

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cannot say that said. I do
love music, and there's just so much

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joy and music is something that's so
close and dear too, everyone's heart.

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So as you grew up, what
musical instruments were you interested in? Well,

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I first played guitar for a little
while, and then I played clarinet

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for a little while, and they
really didn't stick with me. But then

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my dad bought me a drum set
for one of my birthdays when I was

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about thirteen and twelve or thirteen,
and the drum set was like, Wow,

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this is this is what I here's
my home, this is what I

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should be playing. So I played
that for about ten years. Drum kit

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and also hand percussion, all kinds
of different hand drums and bells and tambourines

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and whistles and that sort of thing, just putting the icing on the cake.

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Really, So I kind of got
away from the drum set and then

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moved on to hand percussion from all
over the world, really different instruments.

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M So, what was it about
the drums that made you stick with them

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in comparison to guitar and planet?
Yeah, you know, I just felt

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a connection to it. It's like
I'm always tapping my foot or tapping the

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table with my hand, and sometimes
I drove my mom crazy at the dinner

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table. I was tapping away and
she would just grab my hand and stop

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me for a few seconds so she
can have some peace. But I just

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felt like it was a natural fit
for me keeping rhythm m So, you

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know, there are a lot of
people who may be thinking like, okay,

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So for example, let's say,
if I want to learn a musical

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instrument, how can I find out
like that connect that's you know, I

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think it's easier today because of the
Internet. You can just search around and

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check out different instruments. I think
maybe it would start with like your favorite

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type of music, whatever artist or
type of music you like. Check out

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that artist and try to figure out
what instruments are within that ensemble, and

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maybe that's your direction to a starting
point. HM. That's very true.

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I actually have single ongo. I'm
not sure what it's called, and I

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have it in the house and sometimes
I will go and look at YouTube's and

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just kind of I call it banging. You know. I haven't gotten much

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further on it, so, but
I do like the sound of it,

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that deep rhythmic sound. Like,
especially since you mentioned about the drums,

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what's a good way to bring the
motivation in and get going on it?

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Get going on a certain instrument.
Yeah, well you'll the person will know

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it when they feel it. That's
what happened to me with the drums and

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the did you redo eventually? But
I think it's a deep feeling inside and

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I'm connected to music, and it's
just when you feel it, you know

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it, and it's like, oh, there it is. The light goes

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on in your head. It's like, all right, cool, So that's

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my direction right now, let's let's
learn more about that. Ah. So

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you're talking about the connection. It's
important to feel the connection and if you

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feel the connection, you'll stay with
it. It's okay. So like you

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moved past the drums, what happened
next? Well, going back to my

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childhood with tapping and keeping rhythm on
everything, I was always making sounds,

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different sounds. I love sound effects
on movies and commercials and in different TV

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shows. So I was making lots
of weird sounds with my voice in mouth.

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And one of my cousins he used
to imitate a trumpet with his mouth

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like he was really good at it. So that got my attention. So

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I was like, all right,
so where am I going with this?

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Like I'm not really sure. But
when I first heard the Digity Do in

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the nineteen eighties, the early nineteen
eighties. That's when that sound grabbed me

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like a magnet and pulled me in
and I knew it right away. Mm

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So where did you get exposure to
it? Well, there's a movie called

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The Coca Cola Kid that it's in
Australia, and also and then a few

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years later the Crocodile Dundeed movies.
Oh oh yeah, based in Australia,

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and you hear the did you do
underneath all these really cool scenes, and

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then as like, what is that
thing? I need to know more about

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it? And then I found out
what it is, what it's called,

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and the Internet was not happening then, so I kind of had to do

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some organic research in the library and
talking with friends to find out more about

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the instrument. So just kind of
veering off the topic. How do you

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find the difference between when you went
to library to figure out things about did

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you re do learn more about it
now when everything is available at fingertips,

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Well, it takes more time and
more effort. You know, you really

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you got to get in the car, drive to the library or someone has

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to drop you off there. You
got to physically search for things and research

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in the card catalog and then you
under Australia or did you re do?

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If you even know how to spell
that word? So it takes more time.

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It took more time and more effort. Then, so it took more

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time and more effort. M How
did it make you feel once you got

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the information? It was great,
It was really rewarding. And then I

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heard a really cool radio special that
featured lots of different types of music with

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the didjury do so like? And
I was so excited. I called the

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radio station and I asked them for
the set list of those songs and the

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artists and every other information. And
so the guy was really nice. He

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printed out the playlist for me and
send it to me in this in snail

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mail. So about a week later
I got this list of so all right,

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cool, I know all these different
artists who feature did youre do?

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In their music? Now I have
like that was a gold mine of information

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for me, of course, so
like, now you have this goal line

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of information, You have all these
playlist and different names of different artists.

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What did you do with it?
Well? Then I started looking for music

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by those artists and going to a
record shop Hey, do you have this?

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Do you have that? Or maybe
I could somehow find a world music

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catalog and possibly one of those artists
is in that catalog and then purchase their

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music and a week or so later
it will come in the mail and then

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I could really check out and dive
into, dive into that artist music and

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when did you buy did you into
and how did you learn it? Well,

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here it is my wife who we've
been together for over thirty years.

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She's an absolute angel, and she
found a world music instrument mail or catalog.

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So for on Christmas of nineteen ninety
three, I played the Digredo for

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the first time because it was a
Christmas present from my wife Amy, and

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it came from Australia and it was
a really nice little Digredo. And the

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really cool thing about that it came
with an instructional cassette, so and that

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was the days of actual cassettes,
So that's how long it was ago.

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But the guy really went into great
detail in describing what he was doing,

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and it really really helped me get
the initial sounds and then just different things

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you can put on top of the
sounds and different techniques, traditional techniques as

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well as more modern day avant garde
things. The disadvantage was I couldn't see

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what he was doing, and I
couldn't ask him questions. So there was

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a good amount of technique questions I
had that I couldn't ask him that I

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had to really figure out on my
own. And some of those things came

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to me by accident, and sometimes
discovering those things kind of gives you a

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deeper understanding. It does, and
again more rewarding because I had to work

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to find that information and on my
own. So yes, absolutely, so,

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how did you become good at it? Practice? Just like any other

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instrument, you gotta put in,
you gotta put in the time. But

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for me, it really I didn't
view it or it didn't feel like I

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was working at it, although I
was because I enjoyed it so much.

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And that's the initial drone of the
digity do. I heard that and felt

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locked into it. It's like I
want to make that sound? How do

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I do that? And it took
a while for me to get that sound,

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but it's practice, practice, practice, And then after playing for three

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years during that time, I started
making instruments, and after that three year

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period, I was pretty good on
it, and so then I started going

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around to craft shows and music festivals
in the craft area and making instruments that

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I offered to the public. So
I started selling instruments for five years on

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the craft show circuit. And during
the craft show I'm playing and playing and

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playing eight or ten hours a day
and demonstrating, talking about the instrument,

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asking or answering questions that folks had. So during that five year period I

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got really good. So now let's
say if somebody was an entrepreneur or in

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the corporate world, you know,
leaders people, or doesn't matter for that

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matter, anywhere in anywhere, whatever
they're like retail person or a person you

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know, raising kids, It doesn't
matter what they do or what they're What

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are the few lessons that you learn
from this journey for that could apply to

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anyone from the Digre Do. Yeah, Well, the dig Re Do calms

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you down, whether you're playing it
or even listening to it, So that's

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number one. And if you're playing, you must relax and calm down to

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get the proper tone. So that's
one benefit or lesson that is learned.

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And we could all use some relaxation
and a slower heart rate and a slower

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breath rate. Let's let's explore the
lessons that you learned personally that you you

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know, people talk about like,
oh, what are you passionate about?

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You found that you were passionate about. You didn't have anybody to teach you.

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What kept you going? I just
you know, it sounds crazy,

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but I love the sound of it, you know, again going back to

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my childhood with the different sounds that
I was making, and it was also

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musical sounds, so I had that
music connection from when I saw my uncle

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jumping around playing to the rolling stones. So it really it wasn't an effort

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at all to keep going because I
loved what I was doing. M And

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you mentioned earlier also that it didn't
feel like work and you found so basically

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what you're sharing is that if you
know what you love to do, and

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then it's not work, and then
you will find pathways. Like so,

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for example, you figured out just
to learn by the person who was on

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the cassette without seeing them, and
then just being at it and then becoming

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a deeper and deeper expert at it, and then also finding a way to

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make those so all those digrey dues
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you made them. Yes, absolutely, Oh they're beautiful, thank you.

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And so tell us, like,
you know what different types of digrey dues

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there are in like what's their origin
and give us the whole story behind it.

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Sure m well, going back to
the traditional digrey dues in Australia and

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one let me back up even further. The word didgerido is not an Aboriginal

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term. That word was made up
by the first Europeans who showed up in

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Australia and they made up a name
based on its sound automatopia, didgerido,

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sospia, automatopia. It's the technique. It's the process of making up a

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word based on its sound like ba, yeah, automatopia. Oh something new

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alone, seeing it's that's bell.
Every day you learn something newer. Yeah.

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So, depending on where you are
in Australia, the dig red has

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about thirty eight to forty different names
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and one term that is accepted pretty
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That's y i d a ki yidaki. In some areas of Australia, yidraki

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means short dig redo or mosquito.
Didjurdo because the dig is like any other

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instrument. The shorter ones are going
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longer ones deeper, basier sounding.
So you said about mosquito, did you

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do? Yeah, that comes from
it comes from imitating the sounds. The

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dig red is a sound effects machine, is the original sound effects machine.

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Traditionally around the fire nighttime, there's
one person telling a story or singing a

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story, and then there's two or
three sometimes four dancers imitating the movements of

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what's happening in the story. And
then there's one sometimes two did red players

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imitating the sounds of what's happening in
the story, mostly nature sounds, right

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soever, whatever is in the story, the didred player's job is to imitate

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that sound. And if there's a
mosquito, the didred player makes the mosquito

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sound effects. So in the shorter
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that sound or a little bit more
realistic sounding for the mosquito. Oh,

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that is so fantastic and phenomenal because
think about it, they're putting on a

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musical every night and it's a part
of their culture and just embracing storytelling in

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music and passing it on to the
next generation. Sit So have you ever

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done storytelling what dig red? Well, I have accompanied stories, and so

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I'm the sound effects person. And
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center or a university or some type
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a traditional story and then maybe not
so traditional story as long as it has

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all kinds of sounds in it,
nature sounds or even man made sounds in

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the newer stories. So the answer
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And it's really nice when someone is
reading aloud and then the dig Red

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is underneath everything. It's just a
really nice pairing of sounds, the human

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voice and the instrument. Oh wow, that is amazing because it so.

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Are there any specific areas where like
you know the use like and are these

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culled sound stories? Well? Yeah, the oral tradition it like you said,

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it's passed down from generation to generation. Nothing is really written down except

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artwork does tell stories as well,
So there's there's different ways of passing that

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on. Oh that's beautiful and where
can let's say, you know, people

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will be definitely interested after listening to
the show. If people were interested in

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getting digity dues and learning. How
can they go about it? Well,

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on my website there's tons of information, so I have some handcrafted instruments that

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I've made. And also if you're
looking for an Aboriginal Australia made instrument,

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I have a link there to a
resource in Australia. So yeah, on

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my website it's my name dot com. It's Pitts Quatrone p I easy qua

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t t R O n E Pitts
Quatron dot com. Or you can just

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search by Vermont didgerido or Pitts dig
dig d I dge, so you'll probably

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find that I'm like the first one
hundred things that pop up if you plug

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in just Vermont Didge, so you
can find me, Okay, fantastic and

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so they can find you for sure. And then I'm assuming you also teach

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people how to play. Yeah,
I've been teaching folks how to play since

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the mid nineteen nineties and a lot
of my stuff now is on video chat

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and I was I've been teaching online
for ten or twelve years, long before

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COVID. But it's great because now
the audio is much better, the cameras

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are much better, So I have
students all over the world and I teach

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one on one or group setting in
person or video chat. Oh that's fantastic,

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definitely, So Pits, let's maybe
demonstrate something. So how about if

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I come up with some story and
with a nature sound, and can you

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play along with that? Because that's
something when somebody learns they can do with

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their families. What do you think
of that? Yes, you mean right

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now, right now? Okay,
I'd love to do that. With the

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audio, it may not totally be
in sync, but I have some certain

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settings that I've locked in and it
should be very good, okay, and

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you have to lead me through it
where I stop and where the sound comes

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in. I'm just going to make
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I'm a storyteller. Storyteller and I
love that. Okay. Are you ready?

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Yeah? I'm ready, So to
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to start? Why don't you start? Set the stage and then I can

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begin the story. I like it. Here we go. That was beautiful,

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okay. So Mama and Papa Sparrow
are sitting around a fire and they've

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got like a little little, tiny
little babies, and let's say they use

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their beaks like a jackhammer. I
don't want. And now what happens is

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that when they're opening up the shells, they pack upon the shell and eat

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the contents. And now sometimes they
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and then the noise becomes very similar
to as if somebody's knocking on your

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front door. Thank you for playing
along. I really appreciate that, Okay,

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and that cool. Yeah, So
folks, you know those little Mamma

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and Papa sparrows, mister and missus
Smith. We are going to go and

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you can have stories, especially with
families and especially if you're out, and

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especially for family reunions. I can
see so many different possibilities because I'm such

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a storyteller. Let's say, if
you're on the beach and you just kind

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of embroy in, or even if
you're getting together with a group of friends,

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this can be such a wonderful thing
to bring the whole social connections to

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life, or that social gathering to
life. So we have talked about it,

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and you know, like people can
play with it. So tell us

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how does it help with help in
comparison to any other instruments. Ah,

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okay, well, I've touched on
it real quickly in order to play properly

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in the beginning, you must relax, So that's number one. And there

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was a really interesting study that came
out about fifteen years ago published by the

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British Medical Journal. They studied a
doctor in Switzerland who found out that playing

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the dig red it's a physical instrument, So playing the digred really works the

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lower throat muscles and as well as
this technique called circular breathing, which allows

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the didre due player to play continuously
because that person breathes while they play,

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so using that circular breathing technique and
I can describe that in a minute.

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All those things really work the internal
muscles in your throat that are usually the

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problem with sleep apnea, obstructive sleep
apnea. So just yeah, it's a

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really groundbreaking stuff. So the doctor
had twenty five patients who had sleep apnea,

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and he brought in a didre dude
teacher and that teacher taught the folks

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how to play, and they played
six days a week for about a half

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an hour a day for a three
month period. So meanwhile, those muscles

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are getting a serious workout. At
the end of that time period, there

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sleep apnea episodes either totally disappeared or
drastically reduced, because those muscles are now

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back in shape and they're nice and
straight and strong. They're not flabby and

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loose and blocking the airway. So
this study, this study was published,

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and a lot of people it's a
really nice alternative to the seapap machine or

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other treatments for sleep apnea. So
a lot of people come to me and

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say, Pitts, I just can't
stand that seapap thing. I don't want

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to get jaw surgery or all these
other alignment things. Teach me how to

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play digred to help with my sleep
apnea. Oh, that is so fantastic

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because you know, without sleep,
Oh, and the day can be so

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tough. So that's phenomenal. So
tell us about circular breathing. Okay,

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circular breathing. So and to get
the initial sound on the did red,

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I'm flapping my lips nice and loose
and wide open, not tighten pressured like

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a trumpet player, very loose,
kind of like what a tuba player does.

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So is that what is that how
you played? Did you do?

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That's how you get started? Yeah, that's step one is you flap your

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lips and it resonates down the digredo
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so that drone is your foundation of
sound. So I'm playing along. Eventually,

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I'm gonna need air for my lungs, right, And if you remember,

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like when we were children, we
used to do that song. Yes,

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that's a great point because when I
go to schools and teach kids how

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to play, almost every kid is
a natural did red player. That's what

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I found. And it's so cool
because you know, I guess as people

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get older and older, they stop
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like, oh I can't do that, I'll look silly, right, And

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usually it used to happen when some
kid did not like some of the kid

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and what they're saying, and they
would just go and go yeah yeah right,

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or it's the raspberry thing, or
it's the raspberry thing, yeah yeah.

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So that's how you get started on
the ditch. So I'm playing.

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Eventually, I'm going to need air
to breathe. So what I do is

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on its way out, I catch
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my cheek muscles alone, I squeeze
in one mouthful at a time, so

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that's forcing the air out of my
mouth. So I'm not actually breathing out.

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I'm just emptying my mouth chamber with
the cheeks, and that little puff

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keeps my lips flapping for just a
second or so. That's my opportunity to

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breathe up my nose for my lungs. And I'll do it two or three,

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maybe four times in a row while
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little bit of air. So here
it is, I'm playing right, gets

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some air in my cheeks and with
my cheek muscles alone, force it out

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and breathe up my nose at the
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that's the circle. That's where the
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it's if you kind of like break
it apart like from did you Do playing?

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It's such a good way of breathing
where you're pulling in more air and

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you're building your muscles. Oh that's
amazing. Absolutely, any amount I'm totally

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convinced any amount of did you Do
Playing is beneficial health wise. But once

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you start doing the circular breathing,
it gets it catapults. The benefits like

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expand amplify to great amounts, and
that's what really really helps with getting those

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muscles internal workout. It's like a
push ups for those muscles. It gets

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them back into shape, so they're
no longer obstructing the airway. Oh I

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see. So because they're not in
shape, they obstruct the air wind.

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That's why people have sleep at near
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all been described to me from medical
professionals. I'm I'm I'm a musician.

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I'm not a doctor or a healthcare
professional. And but I've seen it in

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all my students. Even if one
thing I start with right away day one

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with my students, someone comes to
me a new student, it's like,

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okay, um, flap your lips
like that, and that's so much fun.

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You get to do it. It
is a fun it's a fun thing.

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And what I do ask the folks
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and then time yourself and see how
long that lasts. And there's no

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right or wrong answer. Whether it's
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But write that down like Okay,
day one, I went for fifteen

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seconds. And then I asked,
and I asked folks to play every day

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in practice fifteen twenty thirty minutes and
at the end of the first week do

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that same exercise of timing your breath
every time that breath is longer. So

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practice the benefits start happening right away. And this person is not even circular

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breathing yet, so they're getting getting
warmed up, building up capacity, opening

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up the airways. And that's only
a good thing. Yeah, and here's

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the beauty of it that you're enjoying
there it is again yep. Well,

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your family members maybe like, okay, what is that song you're making?

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Our noise? You know? Yeah, So, but the better you get

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at the instrument, the better and
better the tone and and your technique gets.

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So hopefully your family members won't mind
too much after of course not of

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course, a few days or a
couple of weeks. It can be such

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a great exercise where you're learning it
with your child. Yes, absolutely that

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I love that idea. That's a
really good thing. And so the parents

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doing it, then the children imitates
that technique and that sound, and it's

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fun for them and it's also healthy
for both people. It's it's a great

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way to bond with anyone for that
matter. And so you mentioned about like,

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you know, you gave us the
example of one sound like how it

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comes out like so do different did
you redues make different sounds? Different tones?

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Again, you know it's a musical
instrument. The long ones are bassy,

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short ones are higher. So would
you be open to sharing the test?

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How does a short one sound?
Yeah? Well the one I played

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was rather short, but I can
play this other one here. This one

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is really long. It probably won't
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but I'll play here. Wow,
So it's it has That's just amazing.

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So what is the signs behind about
the sound? Like? Is it like

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a tunnel? That would love to
learn about that. Yeah, Structurally the

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instrument is a tunnel. It's a
long, hollowed out tree branch. And

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how these are made traditionally for thousands
of years and a lot of people agree.

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A lot of music experts agree the
didgerido is the world's oldest musical instrument.

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No one really knows how old,
between fifteen hundred perhaps up to forty

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thousand years. So how the traditional
instruments are made is there's termites that eat

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out the center of a tree limb. Interesting, so when the instrument maker

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needs to make an instrument, they'll
go around and look for a termite mound

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and different types of eucalyptus trees are
around. So if there's a termite mounds

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and a tree of eucalyptus tree close
by, chances are those termites have done

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their work. So what they termites
go underground and they eat their way up

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the trunk and out the branches of
the tree, and the ditch maker will

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go around and knock on that branch. You'll look for the termite and the

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tree nearby, and then start knocking
on different branches to hear how hollow it

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is. And through experience that person
will know like, Okay, this one's

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ready to go, this one's needs
some more time, or this one might

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be too far gone. So if
it's ready to go, then that the

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ditch maker will cut that branch down
and take it back home and sometimes peel

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the bark off let its season and
then decorate it, or sometimes the bark

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is left on it for a nice
natural look. And is that how you

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get your vote as well? No, I don't. I don't want to

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attract any termites to my house.
Yeah, that's what I was kind of

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thinking that. Yeah, it's one
thing to kind of get it, but

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the termites insided, how does that
work? Yeah, so what I do.

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I found this really interesting tree.
It's called Polonia, or princess tree

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is a nickname for it. It's
a soft wood. It's an invasive species

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from Asia, but it grows all
over the world now and the really many

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different aspects that's really helpful for me
is the first two to three years of

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its life, it grows mostly hollow. So yeah, so there's a little

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pithy area where the branches come out
intersection, but in between those branches is

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it's rather it's a hollow tunnel.
So I've learned. I have a really

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long drill bit and what I've learned
how to go in one end very carefully

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so it doesn't blow out the side
and let that tunnel guide me. And

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then I'll flip the instrument around and
an approach it from the other direction to

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complete that tunnel. Wow, that's
interesting. And when you find your princess

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trees, well in the I live
in Vermont and they do grow here,

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although they really it's a little bit
cold for him. So, but in

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the United States, all around southern
New England and throughout the mid Atlantic,

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especially down in like New York,
Philadelphia, Baltimore, DC, and even

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further south, it grows to a
full blown tree. So I have different

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places that folks let me harvest.
In Vermont, it grows in one year,

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it grows to full height and and
the stock dies. The root ball

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stays alive, and next year it
shoots out a new set of branches.

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Oh what a fascinating story about that. So thank you for coming on our

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show and sharing. You're welcome.
Thanks. If you were to give the

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last top two to three tips to
our listeners, what might that be.

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Well, another thing I'd like to
do is I'm a musician, so I

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create music. I put the dijury
do in a lot of different musical settings,

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including my own, like rock,
funk, really fun stuff. But

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this instrument has taken me around the
world collaborating with different musicians. So I

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really believe that the digur do is
very versatile instrument musically, so I put

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it in all kinds of different settings. I'm not an Aboriginal from Australia,

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and I don't pretend to be.
I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia,

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so that's my musical background. So
I played this really old instrument in

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my music to go background and also
with backgrounds from all over the world.

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Well, that's awesome because what you're
doing is you're pulling everything together and that's

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what needs to happen, and that's
what brings us together as people. Then

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we embrace and adopt and adapt to
different cultures and make it mainstream. So

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that's beautiful. Yeah, thank you, and make it accessible. And like

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you said earlier, music transcends all
boundaries. And even if I can't speak

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to a person in West Africa their
language, they can't speak mine, and

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they're a fabulous musician, we get
together and we can communicate with music and

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we look over and smile at each
other and yeah, this is working.

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So it's the great communicator in this
instrument. I owe a lot to it.

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It's really opened up a whole world
for me and in turn life missions

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and a successful rewarding career. Well, it's thank you so much for playing

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for us and playing along for the
story. Yet now where can again find

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you? If you can share with
Tassi your website, your link and how

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like you teach them just full details. Yeah, well, if you want

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to hear music, just ask your
smart speaker to play Pitts Squadrone and I'm

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on every musical platform that there is. And if you want to find me

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on line, check out my website
with all those different options you just described.

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It's pitts quatrone dot com. Again, it's p I t Z qu

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A T t R O n E
pitts quatron dot com. Or just search

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for Pitts p I t Z dig
d I d g E. Oh fantastic.

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Thank you so much for coming and
doing what you're doing because, as

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you mentioned, you know, sleep
is such an important part and this is

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a natural way to get rid of
it, and so thank you again.

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You're welcome, Divia. Thank you
for inviting me on the show. It's

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been my pleasure. Absolutely, it's
been a joy speaking to you and listeners.

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Thank you for joining us, because
without you, the show would not

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be possible. You are the soul
of the show, so reach out to

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us, let us know how can
we support you and how can we hope

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you live the life you deserve with
joy, wealth, health and happiness.

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And thank you one for making the
show possible. So folks be well and

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take care until next time. Thank
you for being part of Beyond Confidence with

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your host, Divia Park, we
hope you've learned more about how to start

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living the life you want. Each
week on Beyond Confidence, you hear stories

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of real people who've experienced growth by
overcoming their fears and building me four relationships.

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During Beyond Confidence, Diva Park shares
what happened to her when she stepped

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out of her comfort zone to work
directly with people across the globe. She

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not only coaches people how to form
heart connections, but also transform relationships to

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mutually beneficial partnerships as they strive to
live the life they want. If you

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are ready to live the life you
want and leverage your strengths, learn more

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at www dot dvapark dot com and
you can connect with Diva at contact at

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dvapark dot com. We look forward
to you joining us next week.