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at Diva Parnk dot com. This
is beyond confidence and now here's your host,

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Diva Park. Good morning listeners,
this is Diva and I'm thrilled to

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be here with you because this is
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the globe, and I am so
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about change in today's world and who
can do that. Entrepreneurs do that the

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best and I'm not saying nobody else
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folks, because I'm an entrepreneur.
So I invite you to get your book

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an expert, it's important to become
that influencer. And to me, an

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influencer is someone who creates a lasting
change, a lasting impact on other people's

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lives and adds value and makes a
difference. So, folks, either of

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the books. You're not going to
go wrong. It's going to enhance your

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life and enhance somebody else's life.
I cannot do it alone, so let's

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do it together. Another thing that
I'm going to share with you is I

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invite you to spend just one hour
of your time every month to help somebody

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with no strings attached. Let's get
this circle of kindness going, because,

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folks, it is important. All
right, folks, let's invite your guests

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in. Welcome, Doctor Frank Douglas. Welcome, and thank you for inviting

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me to the show and giving me
an opportunity also to interact with your audience.

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Oh it's a pleasure. So tell
us that. Does any memory or

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a person stand out for you from
your childhood? Yes, there is actually

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a sad but important memory. When
I was about twelve, I used to

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have every Saturday morning it was my
job to go to the market and it

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was about a mile walk and getting
to the market was not a problem,

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but returning with a basket of girls
walking them out as a problem. And

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finally I actually got a bicycle and
this morning, this Saturday morning, was

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the first morning I was going to
be able to actually ride to the market,

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so I wrote to the market,
I got the goods, I put

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it on a bicycle handle and came
riding back. And before I could think

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about it, as I turned into
the yard as we would call it where

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I lived, it was sandy,
and I had a spell and lost everything

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because I had a bottle of cooking
oil, so broke the flower, the

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rice, etc. The only thing
that was saved, or what we call

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the ground provisions, namely things like
a sava and plantings. I picked as

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much as I could uppened, got
to the little room where we lived,

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and my mother began to whip me
with a fury i'd ever experienced before.

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I kept asking why, why,
why, and she said my aunt said

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that she saw me turn into the
yard and push the basket off the bicycle

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purposefully because I did not want to
go. Oh, I was so upset.

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Of course, that is devastating for
a young kid, especially when you

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didn't do anything. I didn't do
anything, and this aunt had a habit

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of literally telling lies on me,
and so I left, and I decided

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to go and drown myself. And
so I walked till we lived, probably

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about a mile or so from the
Atlantic Ocean, and I walked and got

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to the sea wall stood in it, and then I literally I became afraid.

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I could look at all these large
boulders and the barnacles and the other

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things on it and slimy, and
I began thinking what if I stepped down?

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And you know, I didn't make
it into the water, but I

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literally got afraid and decided not to
do it, And that for that my

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life. Yeah, that actually changed
my life. Oh and that's where as

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I was mentioning about earlier that it's
so important to be kind and harming your

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aunt. I mean, we don't
know, you know, what propelled her

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to do that, But that said, just think about the consequences your actions

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can have on others. It's one
thing to just go on thinking, oh,

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this is not going to have repercussions. I'm just doing a white lie,

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a small white lie. But think
about it, like, what was

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the big consequence on your life?
I'm grateful that you didn't take the action.

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What was going through your mind?
Well, all I kept thinking was

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ranging myself. And then, as
I said, I became literally afraid.

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I was afraid that I would slip
and get trapped between the boulders and never

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make it into into the water and
die that way. But I literally just

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chickened out and went too good to
be good. But it also did.

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I was going at the time to
an evangelical church, and so I went

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two or three days later, actually
the Sunday to see the minister and told

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him I wanted to give my heart
to the Lord. I wanted to be

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saved. And I did that because
within the two days after this event,

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I had so many dark thoughts about
what I would do to my aunt that

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I became afraid at how much I
was in the dark side. That really

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changed my life because after that I
spent my time, you know, in

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the church. I became what we
would call it home a boy preacher.

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Actually, after a while I was
able to go to high school, where

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I did very well because I became
very focused on doing as best as I

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could for the Lord in the real
sense. And so that absolutely changed my

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life and as responsible for the man
I became and I am. So did

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minister have any part in your turnaround
the ministry? Yes, because he was

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very happy and then began to give
me a lot of opportunities to help him.

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And after a while he would actually
have me teach the younger kids in

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Sunday school uh and then on the
Saturday nights where we would go out to

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preach, he would preach. He
began asking me to say a few words,

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and then after a while I began
to be what we call a boy

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preacher and also to preach. What
that did, as a matter of fact,

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it taught me basically how to speak
publicly, you know, without understanding

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it. That's what they thought me. It also gave me a tremendous memory

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because I would memorize lots and lots
of verses in the Bible in order to

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be able to preach. So it
exercised my memory and actually also helped me

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as a student. What a story, and it teaches us that it's important

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to give a hand up and a
little nudge, for you don't around your

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whole life. So thinking from dark
thoughts, you came on the positive side

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and achieved so much in your life. So how was it like growing up

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in Ghana? Well, we were
very poor circumstances. In fact, there

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were five of us, my mother
and four siblings, and we lived in

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one room and next in the room
next versus my aunt and her and her

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kids. And my grandmother and grandfather. So I spent actually a lot of

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my time outside, you know,
either sitting on this step or going to

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be what we call the promenade gardens. It was only about three blocks away,

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but there I would do my homework
because they were benches there and I

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could get my homework done. So
that was the way I grew up until

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I was about sixteen. At sixteen, I went a scholarship to go to

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the top high school to complete high
school at what s called Queen's College in

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Guyana, and I did very well
there and started to work after I completed

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high school, actually as a school
teacher. And it was I don't know

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how it came about, but I
ended up being called by the US Office

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one day and they told me I
was being offered a Fulbright scholarship to come

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to American study engineering. So at
age twenty, I arrived in the New

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York City on my way to Lehigh
University to study engineering. M So,

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what type of engineering did you study? Chemical engineering? Actually I started out

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doing chemical engineering, and then one
semester I had what is called physical chemistry,

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and so I switched to the chemistry. In fact, my PhDs in

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physical chemistry. I switched to chemistry
and engineering school. I just fell in

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love with physical chemistry. Well,
a lot of people may not like it.

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Definitely you had a passion for it. So let's rewind back a little

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bit. So when you got that
offer, when you got that call from

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the US, how did you feel
and what did your family respond? We

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were all very excited. I was
waiting for scholarships to go to British universities.

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My performance in my last exam gave
me admission to any of a number

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of British universities, but of course
I had no money. Fullbright scholarship offered

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not only a full scholarship, but
I also got a small stipend to live

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on. And we were all excited
at home because everybody I was hoping I

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would get a scholarship to go away
and study. My teachers, all all

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who were delighted. It was also
very important because with the stipend, I

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actually send the stipend home too,
and brothers and sisters, you know,

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And actually that is not an uncommon
thing. It happens fairly frequently, not

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only with students who come from abroad, who come from you know, poor

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families, but here in America.
There are many Black American kids who are

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students and who are working part time
to help their family and brothers and sisters.

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So this is not uncommon. You
know, I thought it was an

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uncommon thing until I began, you
know, to myself to be a professor

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and to interact with the students to
realize that this is also unfortunately not uncommon

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in America for purpose students. So
if you're sending your stypend, and if

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I may ask, how did you
survive? Well, it was very interesting.

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One the canteen, my food,
if you like, that was all

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taken care of. I did not
have to pay for that. That was

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part of the scholarship. It was
I got books, the tuition, the

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room residents I was paid for as
well as food was paid for. So

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in real sense I didn't really have
a need for the money, and so

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I sent almost all of it home. This became actually I mentioned this became

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an issue because one of the things
that happened I actually completed in three years.

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And one of the honors that I
was given was I was invited to

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five Ata Kappa as well as Toby
the Pietoby the Pias, the Engineering Honors

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and I declined both. I actually
I had no idea what they really meant,

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but they required they required twenty five
dollars each of them for the feed,

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and I got fifty dollars a month, so which I sent home.

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You know, I sent home about
forty dollars, so there's no way I

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could. So I politely decline.
And I actually got a call from the

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dean, Dan Yates, I'll never
forget, and he called me in and

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he said, I've heard you've declined
the five beta kappa and why did you

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do that? And I said,
well, quires twenty five dollars and I

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don't have any money. He said, but you get fifty dollars a month,

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what are you doing with it?
So then I explained to him,

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I send it home. And he
looked at me and he said, here's

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what I'm going to do, said, five beta kappa is more important,

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is the more important of the two. I will pay the fee for your

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five beta kappa, which he did, and you know, so I'm five

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beta kappa. Beautiful story. And
here's again that if somebody invests in you,

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it somebody giving you a hand up. Give somebody else a hand up.

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What a beautiful story and see like
little things when they add up,

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it becomes such a huge, huge
change. And that's where I always promote

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kindness and sharing a little part of
your time with somebody else, whether it's

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mentoring or just helping your family members
out wherever it is. So, as

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you completed your chemical engineering, is
that like, did you continue with your

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PhD like at that time or was
it part of that? Well, it

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was part of that. But before
I go to that, if you don't

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mind, because it just triggered something
in one of your shows that I heard

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that I thought was so beautiful and
in a way it captures what you just

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said, but I'll see it in
the words of it you use. Then

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you were talking about in your into
you you were talking about walking and it

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was raining, and you talked about
the sound of the rain which are so

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poetic. But you talk about seeing
this tiny little tree with the raindrops on

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the tree, and the sun shining
on those raindrops that made them look like

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diamonds, and then the rainbows that
were there, And in a real sense,

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you know, that captured the way
I feel about individuals. I feel

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about people is that you know,
we are all diamonds. In the rough,

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if you like. And as the
diamonds when others give to us and

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shine on us, then there's an
opportunity for all the beautiful things within us,

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the rainbow of gifts that we have
to come. And I so loved

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listening to you say that because it
gave me this wonderful image of what I

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think about about people. So thank
you for that, Oh, thank you,

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Thank you for listening, and thank
you for sharing that, because I

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still remember that moment to this day. It was just beautiful, and we

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learned so much from nature. We
have treasures all around us, and we

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forget about that. So tell us
about your journey through PhD. My journey

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to PhD was an interesting one one. My journey in those three years that

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I spent at Lehigh was where I
discovered discrimination and racism, But as I

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mentioned in the case of D.
N. Yates, is where I also

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discovered that there were wonderful people in
spite of what. So I had the

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unfortunately situation at these two professors who
gave me lower grades than I had earned.

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But then I'm going to tell you
about the professor who probably changed my

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life. I was in my third
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course. And he called me into
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about yourself. And you know,
no one had ever asked me that,

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and so I did, and I
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am Jewish, so I understand the
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to me, do you know you
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didn't know. He said, yes, you do. And as a matter

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of fact, we've been discussing it, and one possibility is that we do

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put you into a six year PhD, which we are sort of thinking that

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we might want to start, and
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your life where you are searching for
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that you go to another institution and
do graduate work. So he helped me

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apply. He actually called up a
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and then when I returned off of
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to decide, and I actually was
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them, and he recommended that I
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It turned out for all the right
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because that's where he got his PhD. But I was at that stage of

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my life that Cornwell was just the
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he said, you know, it
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the political activity, you will find
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find in your chemistry department professors who
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be sure that you're the best chemistry
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absolutely. I went to Cornell did
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fact, it's one of the two
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my maturation as a human being.
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doing my PhD at Cornell, that's
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beautiful story, and how a person
as you mentioned, created that rainbow for

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you. Yes, and as you
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interestingly enough, I did, even
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do a fellowship because the thesis I
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and exciting. It was one of
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the first time that it had been
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excited. But I had had a
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to work for Xerox, and that
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there in eighteen months. So you
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framed your mindset in your first job, So tell us about that as well.

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That's that's indeed where my life was
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was there for three months and could
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my boss he would give me one
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white young man joined the group and
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and within one week he was actually
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at Sea Rocks at the time,
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went to my boss and I asked
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the usual excuses, and then I
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think of me not as though I
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I'm Bob. And I was astounded
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his face, and he looked at
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I ran out of his office,
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vice president to give him another example
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and that is what actually caused me
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medical school. So I also have
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later, I thought about that incident
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that were very important. One,
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had insisted on the Xerox hiring young
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only one black PhD in all of
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summer. He had hired three of
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it was probably more important to him
that Frank Douglas who would do well than

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it was the Frank Douglas because his
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The thing was that my desired outcome
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I wanted to demonstrate what I had
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was. That was my desire to
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vice president to go and have tough
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refrained, and had I said to
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could you help my boss find me
a good project retired from Xerox because one

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that was within his sphere of influence
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my desired outcome. When I was
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November twenty eighteen, it occurred to
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with difficulties, I actually reframed.
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title of my recently released the book, which talks about addressing systemic discrimination by

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reframing the problem. Reframing became for
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realize it until I was writing my
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important reframing is. Yeah, that
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realization. So this is a difficult
conversation to have, and yet it's important

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to touch upon it. So many
people face discrimination, and scrimination comes in

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so many different faces that there is
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gender, it can be age,
it can be color, it can be

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biased. It could even just be
let's say somebody from South is going to

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New York, or somebody from New
York is coming to the South. Oh,

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those Yankees or those you know people
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from those Texans. And we have
so many biases, so a lot of

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people. And I think so everyone
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in their lives. I've experienced it
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So first of all, walk is
through a process like what did you

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do, Like did you face anything
else during medical school? And how did

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you handle that? I face many
things during medical school, which is unfortunate

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because I thought, in a real
sense, you know, this is the

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study of medicine understanding beings. But
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days when predominantly white institutions were beginning
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So what I found when I got
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have been a practice every year they
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about eight or eight to ten black
students who who were there in a class

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of a hundred, so about eight
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have been a practice every year of
having one or two of those students repeat

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the first year. Now having been
a graduate student, having you know,

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been a graduate assistant and evaluated students, etc. I sort of, you

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know, had been at least gotten
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capability of students. There's something unfair
going on here. The fascinating thing actually

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that happened is that some of the
boys, i'll say boys, you know

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you're a young man, some of
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of the female students who are getting
higher grades than they should get because the

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male professors like them, and they
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to one of them, whom I
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you know, why don't you and
you know some of the other guys go

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and ask to have anonymous grading.
He thought that was a good idea.

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So we had anonymous grading. And
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of my black female colleagues, it
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As far as I knew no black
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of my black colleague's female colleagues got
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got two out of four honors,
and not a single black student failed,

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not a single black student. Let's
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you do over here that changed the
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just like you asked them to anonymous. So again it goes back to addressing

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Yes, we reframed the problem.
Rather than dealing with the problem that black

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students were being unfairly treated is,
we reframed it into let's have a process

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in which all students feel they are
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with a different outcome, and that
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okay, right. Outcome that we
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not be failed if indeed, you
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that was the outcome we wanted.
But rather than addressing that, we

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reframed it to all students should feel
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the way we got the outcome.
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the color, regardless of the color
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said, you know, my feeble
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four hours, which means that although
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that point, she was nonetheless not
getting her you know, her do she

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was not being recognized. So how
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problem and reframe it? Well,
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my memoirs, and I began to
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had had, you know, also
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I was a an academic physician for
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to work, went back and worked
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pharmaceutical company and experienced racism there.
The worst one of which was there was

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a time. There were two critical
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second one. I was expected to
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was a large pharmaceutical company that was
denied it because of my ethnicity. Okay,

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so I had to reframe. Actually
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I went to a smaller company,
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a very large company in Germany,
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to May to become the global head
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position in a similarly sized global company
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years before them. So one of
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upon is that you did say that, especially after leaving Zeros, it helped

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you reframe the problem, and you've
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kept on facing the obstacles. So
there are a lot of people who may

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say that, you know, I'm
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How can they heal themselves and reframe
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is changing the outcome by reframing the
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so very important because you know what
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pain that people are feeling. And
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I have done is to say,
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if we have an individual who has
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with that individual and your question you'd
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question more directly now, is the
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individual fill out a form which is
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what is their desired outcome one two
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the situation in bullet form, because
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the emotion, the hurt that is
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facts, man, just the facts, and then describe the environment that they're

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in, again in bullet form,
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the problem is. So that's the
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call our panel VIPs Victors in overcoming
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individuals who are professionals who have faced
discrimination and have doubt who overcome And so

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that panel then listens to the case, let's call it a case of this

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in grieved individual and they do it
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understand from that case, what are
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simple, are their privileged groups?
Are their processes in place where someone could

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make a complaint without fear of retribution, you know, and what are the

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prospects for that individual? Very simple
issues of inclusion. Now it's sometimes difficult

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for people to tell you whether they've
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are excluded. So we look at
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validations. And after we've heard that, we actually plot a little matrix of

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equity versus inclusion, because when you
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types of environments or cultures we call
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which equity is high inclusion is high, we call it a psychologically safe culture.

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toxic culture, psychologically toxic culture.
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individual is, then you ask yourself
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come to reframing. Given the desire
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what's a better problem to solve to
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Is it if you look at inclusion
are there opportunities there? Or if you

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look at equity? And so we
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a better problem to solve. And
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you now have reframed the problem.
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Now what is the dialogue. What's
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supervisor with the boss. So rather
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you're now coming with a problem amongst
which is this characteristic. It's a problem

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which if it were solved, not
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others in the work unit would benefit. Go back to the the medical school

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example. So we look for such
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my experience, invariably, if you're
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you said, whether it's to women, whether it's because of the culture,

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but because of religion, if that
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are authors who are also experiencing other
types of discrimination. So because of my

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observation of that over many years,
I am convinced that you will be able

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to find a better problem to solve
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so powerful, because what's a better

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problem to solve? It definitely resonates
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the core of humanity. You are
saying that let's bring inclusion in. When

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you're solving the problem for everyone,
the odds of it succeeding and you achieving

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that outcome are so much more greater
than just being focused on yourself or one

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thing. So that is so powerful. Oh, thank you, Thank you

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for sharing that, doctor, Frank, just amazing. And share with us

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about your memoir and where people can
find you, how can they connect with

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you? While you can connect with
me through Frank Douglas books dot com.

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That's my website, Frank Douglas books
dot com. You'll find both books there,

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but there's a ton tax form there. Just send me a note and

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an email. I'll respond respond to
you. The books are both on Amazon

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also you can get it from my
website, but you can also get them

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an Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
So tell us about your books. The

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first one actually is interesting. It's
called Defining Moments of a Freeman from a

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Black Stream. Why a Freeman from
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and in the book I tell how
I discovered that because I didn't know that.

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But it turns out that Frank,
my first name is Celtic in origin

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and means freeman, and Douglas is
Scottish and means from a black stream.

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Oh oh wow, finding moments in
my life. So the finding Moments of

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free Man from a black stream,
and you find some of the things I

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yeah, sorry, go ahead,
No, No, I was just going

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to say, you find some of
the things that I just mentioned, like

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the Xerox, the medical school,
the first question you asked about by upbringing

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you'll find them all in that book
my memoirs memoir and and the second yeah

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that's released. Yeah, that is. It is entitled Addressing Systemic Discrimination by

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Reframing the problem. Mhm. No, definitely sounds a book anybody could benefit

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from it, so I'm hearing.
Actually the book is actually it's very it's

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only one hundred and seventy pages or
so. I particularly left it wanted it

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to be small, sort of a
primer, and the first section of it

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describes the methodology, describes why the
importance of looking at equity and inclusion and

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the methodology of reframing, And the
second part of the book are eighteen cases

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individuals whom I interviewed and whom we
took through the process in the intake form

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and then to go through inclusion,
equity, the matrix, etc. And

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to find a better problem to solve. So in reading the book, it's

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actually very easy. You read the
first part, which is only twenty twenty

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five pages. Read the very first
case, which is actually a combination of

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two cases which we use as a
teaching case, and you see how the

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process works. And then you can
pick and choose, go to the table

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of contents and pick and choose cases
to read. Because you find cases involving

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physicians, involving government workers, involving
people in industry, involving people in academia.

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So it covers a broad definitely sounds
like a good read and a book

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to definitely have it on your shelf
or on your kindle or your noki,

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whatever you're using. And thank you, Thank you for sharing your heart and

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wonderful nugget. So what's next for
you, Well, right now we are

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focusing on getting not just the book
such interhansive individuals, but really encouraging individuals

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to contact us, individuals who whose
well being is being affected it at work

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or elsewhere, whom we can help
by taking them through the reframing process.

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So right now that's a major,
a major focus. Well, that's amazing.

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Thank you for doing all the good
work that you're doing for people,

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because it's so critical that we help
each other out, be kind to each

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other. So thank you for joining
us. It was an honor having you

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on the show. Well, thank
you very much. And if I may

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end, because of something else that
you said in one of your shows,

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you've talked about honoring people, and
again it resonated with me because for me,

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if in your organization you treat people
fairly, you're honoring them, and

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if you value them, you value
them by including them, including their contributions,

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and recognizing them. So this,
you know, when I heard you

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talk about honoring people again, it
struck a chord with me. Thank you

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for this opportunity to be on your
show. Thank you, doctor Frank.

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It was really an honor to have
this conversation. And listeners, I hope

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you enjoyed this conversation as much as
I did. And I'm always learning from

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our guests and I'm so it's a
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wonderful experts. So please know that
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with joy and with good health.
And thank you one for making the show

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technically possible. And we will see
you next time. Befell and take care.

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