The Mind Matters: Conversations on Mental Health

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bring our guest on. Hi, welcome,

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Rachel. How are you doing.
I'm doing well. I'm excited to

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be here, excited to have you
on the show. So, Rachel,

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usually we start out with a childhood
moment. So do you recall a moment

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that stands out for you even today? Yes. When I was eight years

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old, before I would go to
school, I would scan the house for

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steak knives because my mom self harmed
and I would hide them. So before

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school each morning, I would hide
all the knives in the house, trying

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to protect her. And it's funny
because most people tell their kids knives are

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too sharp for the kid, but
I felt like my mom wasn't safe with

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knives, so I ended up hiding
them from her. So sorry to hear

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that sounds like you became an adult
when you were a child. Yes,

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yes, in many ways. I
was, So tell us more about your

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childhood as to what happened that you
were left at having out steak knives.

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So my mom had managed depressive bipolar
disorder and she required a lot of emotional

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support, and so she kind of
looked I was the oldest of her three

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kids, the only daughter, and
She leaned on me heavily for that emotional

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support, and so from a young
age I was treated as her equal,

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and it made me feel important,
it made me feel needed, it made

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me feel like a big kid.
But over time I grew to resent that

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role because I couldn't carry it anymore. And if I may ask, like,

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was there a dad in the picture? Yes, yes I did have

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a dad. He worked most of
the day, but of course he was

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also affected by her need to be
emotionally supported. So when he was at

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work and I was at home with
her all day, I was her go

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to person. So as you were
growing up, but through such difficult times,

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how did you find any normalcy?
Or he didn't find any normalcy in

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your life. It's funny. You
only know what you know when you're a

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kid. So I thought it all
was normal. But I also think you

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know, if there's something traumatic that
happens throughout the day, but then the

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last two hours of your evening you're
watching a movie, eating movie treats,

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you kind of cling to those moments
of normalcy and you're willing to forget the

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rest. So we had moments every
day that we're normal, and we just

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kind of me and my brothers chose
to focus on those. That's good.

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And how's your relationship with your siblings
wonderful? Wonderful. We feel like we're

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a little army, that we're in
a foxhol together, and we all came

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out stronger and more bonded because we
survived together. So tell us a few

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moments from your childhood or from ever, like, you know, how did

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you all become so strong together and
how did you bond and what went just

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what went through? Yeah, so
we didn't have a ton of friends growing

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up, so we were each other's
friends. We moved around a lot,

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so we were always the new kids. And then my parents told us to

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never tell anyone about my mom's bipolar
disorder. They said that if we told

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anyone, then they wouldn't be allowed
to play at our house anymore because their

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parents would be I don't know,
afraid. There was a lot of stigma

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around bipolar disorder. And so my
brothers and I became each other's friends and

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it was really it was really great. I really enjoyed my time with them.

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Oh, that's wonderful to hear.
And as you grew up, what

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interest did you have as I grew
up. I was an aspiring author.

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I really wanted to be a writer, but I had dyslexia, and so

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I was at a kindergarten reading level
in third grade and almost had to repeat

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third grade. But because as of
my mom's bipolar disorder, she also has

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incredible stamina and grit, and so
she worked with me and we did tutoring

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all day, every day until I
got caught up. And I think that's

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one of the reasons I was able
to become an author today, is because

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she was willing to work with me. So as being all three a full

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time job, it is it is
so tell us about that, Johnny.

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So I wrote my mom's memoir,
and so that was kind of a tender

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moment for me because I felt like
I lived a lot of her life next

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to her. But writing this book
and impossible life, I got to step

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in her shoes and relive all those
moments from her perspective, and we did

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a lot of laughing. There was
a lot of funny stuff she did,

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and then it was just very tender. That book is definitely my love letter

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to her, very profound. So
you mentioned that initially, then your mom

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leaned on you, you felt important
and then as you grew up, you

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started resenting that. When did that
happen? And tell us about the emotions

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that you experienced. Yeah, I'd
say in college, So my mom called

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a lot. She would call around
fourteen times a day, and I would

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answer all the calls because I didn't
know if she was in crisis, if

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she needed me. I mean,
it could be anything she needs help picking

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out shoes at Tjmax, or you
know, she's having suicidal thoughts and needs

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to be talked down. So I
would always answer her calls. And in

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college, I just was burning out. I had no real life outside of

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my mom's. I felt like I
didn't have my own life. I was

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existing to help mom live hers,
and so I started resenting it, and

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I would break down a lot,
crying, and we would fight, and

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then I'd feel bad because she needs
me, she needs me, And so

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it wasn't until I got therapy that
I learned how to have a productive relationship

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with her with boundaries, but equal
amounts of caring. You can still care

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for someone even if there's boundaries in
place. So are you okay if we

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do like a little bit deep,
but dive because you know there are a

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lot of people who may be going
through similar relationships, whether it's to their

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mom or spouse or dad or yeah. Yeah, So when you said that

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that you felt that you had to
respond. Where was that coming from?

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I think it was coming from So
when you're a child, you learned pretty

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early on that survival is a connection
to your caretaker. And so I think

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because as a kid, I knew
in order to survive, I have to

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have a close bond with my parent. Even though I became older and I

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could survive without her, I was
kind of afraid to give up that bond.

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So if she was reaching out,
I felt the need to reciprocate because

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I didn't want to have that connection
broken. And what if that connection would

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have broken? What was it that
kept you bound to that connection? Probably

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a fear that she would take her
life. I thought, since she struggled

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with suicidal ideation, that if I
stepped back or in any way made her

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feel alone in her pain, that
she couldn't handle it and so she would

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take her life. M So that
was a lot of burden for a young

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one to bear, regardless whether you
were a child or even in your teens

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or in college. So as you
worked through your emotions? What emotion for

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you? As I worked through my
emotions, I realized that I needed to

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create an identity outside of being my
mom's caretaker, because so much of who

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I was was I'm a good friend, I'm a good daughter, I'm a

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good caretaker of mom. And my
therapist worked with me on trying to learn

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that my mom's an adult, she
has a husband. I'm an adult.

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I have a husband where there needs
to be separation there, and I can

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create an identity outside of being her
caretaker, and it was really sweet.

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I talked to my mom after and
she was like, you're right, I

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took something from you that wasn't mine
to take. I'm sorry. I want

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to work on giving that back to
you. I want to give you back

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what I took. And so she's
almost changed overnight, which is phenomenal,

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just always checking on me and making
sure that I know that she doesn't need

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me to take care of her anymore, that she's doing better. Can you

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define that moment? How did that
come to me about? Because here she

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was leaning on you for several and
so many years and then what was that

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conversation that happened? Yeah? So
what happened was is it's funny. I

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thought it was pretty obvious that I
was drowning, that it was so overwhelming

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for me to take care of her
and try to live a life outside of

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her. And she was completely oblivious. She's like, I had no idea,

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and so it was just me being
able to go to therapy find the

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words to describe what I was going
through. And I called her and I

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said, Mom, I think we're
enmeshed. I think our relationship is so

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bound and together that you know,
I don't have a life outside of you.

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And she was like, oh,
I don't want that. I want

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you to have your own life.
I want you to have your own identity.

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And so she was like, tell
me how I can help fix it,

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and so I gave her a few
ideas. I was like, maybe

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call less and if I don't answer
the phone, don't text me, like

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why aren't you answering da da dada? Because I was like that makes me

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feel panicked, And so she's called
way less. She doesn't get mad if

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I don't answer the phone. And
then I told her just don't vent and

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you know, emotionally dump on me
because she loves to call and just emotionally

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unload, and so I told her, I, when you do that,

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I feel like you're asking me to
fix it. And it's a lot to

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take on. And so whenever we
call now, she always asks like,

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hey, am I emotional dumping?
Or am I okay? And I'm like,

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no, you're fine, Like that
was fine. And so she's been

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really conscious of how I'm feeling,
which is very nice. Oh, that's

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so wonderful to hear. So now
let's say, if there's another person in

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your situation, where could they get
started? Yeah, I would say definitely

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therapy, just to identify the why
why did this happen? Why do you

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feel the need to keep stepping up? Why? You know? Because in

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some ways, yeah, you're almost
self sabotaging in some ways, right,

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you're putting your life on pause or
on hold, and that's not a good

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thing. And so figuring out the
why why am I doing this and then

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assessing if that's a reason you think, is you know, effective or non

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effective? I would say that's the
biggest thing, because I didn't even realize

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I was doing it. I just
knew I was exhausted. I was so

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tired, I was very emotional,
and I couldn't figure out why. And

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once I went to therapy, I
was like, oh, I am taking

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on my mom's life. I need
to create my own. So just becoming

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that it's even happening. So once
you realized, So what I'm hearing is

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that it's important to become aware that
what you're doing, because, as you

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mentioned, you didn't even know that
you're doing. And then the second step

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that I'm hearing is that why are
you doing that? Because if you know

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the causation behind it, then you
know the effect that's having on other people,

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effect that's having on yourself. So
once you found that, and so

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many times what happens is that even
if you may have awareness, just like

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a lot of people are not able
to lose their weight, they're aware,

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they know that they're making that choice, and they still go and do either

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bene eating or bene watching or drinking
alcohol. So what was it that after

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the awareness that happened that you were
able to create that boundary? I would

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say it was so I have a
daughter, and it was for the first

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time in my life I felt like
something was more important than what my mom

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wanted, and I feel I became
a parent. I didn't feel like I

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had anything that could ever be more
important than keeping mom alive and happy.

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I was like, there's me going
on a date with my husband, me

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having a hobby, me wanting to
read a book. None of those things

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seemed important enough to not answer her
calls to not make her my number one

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priority. But after having my own
child, I couldn't keep up. I

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couldn't keep doing the things I was
doing for her. And it's because I

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realized something's more important than what mom
wants, and it's my daughter. I

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have to put her first. That
definitely makes sense. And is that when

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you is that when you realized that
my daughter is more important for me,

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that you had that conversation with her? It is? It is? Yeah.

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I remember being at the park and
my daughter wanting me to push her

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on the swing and go down the
slide, and at the same time,

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I'm talking to my mom, and
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listen to her emotional struggles, and
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My daughter's mad that I'm not totally
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upset because she's like, you're not
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with Indie and I realized I can't
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tell her, I have to choose
Indy. If I'm at the park with

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her, if I'm out with her, I'm with her. I can't take

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your calls. But when she's napping
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if you'd like to talk once or
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just yeah, that was a big
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my phone out and when she calls, I let it ring, just to

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prove to myself that I can do
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I'm like, Okay, I'm not
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that I can do it. So
that a lot of people in a similar

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situation, where as you mentioned that
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connection that they don't want to break. So what's a good way for them

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to set boundaries? And we'll come
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first step is what I'm hearing is
that you had to set boundaries. First

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step was having that conversation. Yeah, so the part person that you're in

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that relationship, and so what would
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people can use in that conversation.
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The conversation I had with my mom
about boundaries did not go well. In

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fact, we almost ended our relationship
over it. She was never going to

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talk to me again because it was
so jarring. It was I was,

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you know, so pivotal in her
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and distance in any form seemed like
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things right. I'm sure I could
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was is she felt like I was
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I where I was trying to muster
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I needed a boundary, and she
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is going to be because I had
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it felt very dramatic for her.
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she said, I want to create
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set them so that way I know
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it, but also so I feel
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of you just telling me how it's
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with it. And so that I
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created We just created the relationship together
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something you're okay with? Is that
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it out why not? Right?
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is that first is it's really important
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difficult conversation because if you're not going
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person may not even know what's going
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and then anything is out of balance. It's going to take a toll

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on the relationship, on the person. And why you're having that conversation is

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bringing both the parties and this can
go for anyone, whether in personal or

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professional relationship, and let them be
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the parties or three parties doesn't matter. When people are in agreement of what's

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being discussed and what needs to be
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a voice, they're being heard,
and then they're more apt to comply with

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it or followed through those actions.
What are your thoughts. I think you

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nailed it. Yeah, that's exactly
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in it because it's not it's like
a boundary. They now care about two

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because they helped make it, where
if it's a boundary only you created,

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there's not a lot of emotional connection
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that's something I want to adhere to. But I think you now that by

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creating it together, they understand the
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were the ones also who came up
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challenge for them as so as you
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result that y'all saw or did you
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had to be the strong one to
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we agreed upon and even if the
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to pick it up. Yeah,
I would say my mom was really fast

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to change. She was very quick
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know the goal, I understand what
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give it to them. Where I
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the boundary more like mentally, I
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connected to her, and I struggled
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ever was upset, and even if
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it, I would just see that
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I need to go and help her. And she was like no, no,

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no, this is mine. But
it was It's still hard for me

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to just never mind myself. But
it's a process and it's getting a lot

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better. It's a process. You
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of people. Sometimes what happens is
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and in your case, your mom
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to take time to detach because this
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it on and off with just a
flick. Be talking about human beings,

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human emotions, what would you tell
our listeners somebody who's mustered up the courage

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and now taken the full step and
they're going through that cycle, what can

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they do to stay the course?
I would say, remind themselves why they

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wanted to start in the first place. Why did they feel creating boundaries was

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necessary to begin with? And usually
it's they want to improve their life,

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right their quality of life, or
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people they love. And I think
those are great reasons to stay committed.

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it gets hard, it's, Oh,

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I want to have a really good
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person, I want to improve the
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life. I want to be able
to have more boundaries for X, Y,

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and Z reasons. Yeah, the
why so important, like why do

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we do what we do? And
that was the fust thing that you had

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mentioned as we started our conversation,
and that why is so important, like

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recognizing that why because there will be
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you fall down, there will be
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the things is also having realistic expectations
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things are going to take time to
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when you expect yourself to fail,
you'll continue the work because your why

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is more important than that little action. So how many like you know,

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how much time would you say took
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into that footing where you were comfortable
and where you knew that like, okay,

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now I can definitely be okay not
picking up the phone. I would

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say probably like three to six months
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it was a lot faster, but
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six months. And how would you
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idea of writing her memoir come to
you? She actually asked me. She

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really wanted to have her life story
written, but she didn't feel like she

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could write it, and so she
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we kind of took on the challenge
together. And that's very courageous of her

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to put her life out there for
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tell anyone about her bipolar disorder because
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then, yeah, her dad died
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being quiet. I need to do
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she had me write her life story
and it's been helping a lot of people.

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Oh, that's so wonderful. So
can you share how long did it

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take you to write her memoir and
what was that journey like. Yeah,

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it took eight months to write and
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it took just as long to edit
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the journey was very hard. Anyone
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it's it's very hard. I'm sure
you know. But it was also very

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fulfilling to get all the emails of
how much it's touched people, and so

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we love going on Amazon and seeing
the reviews come in. We're like,

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oh, it's helping people. And
when you were writing, were there moments

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when it was difficult to come to
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became highly emotional? Yeah, there
were many times where you know, my

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mom wanted to be open about her
illness, but there were certain things she

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didn't want to share, and I
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I'm like, no, we got
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We got to put in there about
you know this stuff. And she

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was like, no, they're going
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I said, I think when people
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as much judgment as they do compassion, and so we were very careful and

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we made sure to write the book
in a way where people could understand her

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inner dialogue and understand where she was
mentally when she made some of the choices

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she made, so that way,
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wasn't just an easy situation to judge. It was a very human experience.

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between that black and white, that
it was not just cut and dry,

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or you can just kind of pick
it up and say like, Okay,

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this is what happened, because it's
a human being, and it's great that

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like now mental well being is becoming
more mainstream, and yes, there is

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still stigma associated and it's important that
we continue raising awareness. So once you

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published the book, how are you
getting the word out there? So we

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went on a book tour and we
were interviewed in all fifty states on local

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national TV, and that kind of
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And so it's fun because we can
see we get emails from people in

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all these different states and we're like, oh, they probably you know,

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watch the segment we were on or
something, but we have it on audio

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kindle and paperback, just because I
know a lot of my uncles like to

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listen to books in the car,
so I was like, all right,

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we gotta do audio too, And
did you read your own book? I

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did not. I did not.
I wasn't confident in my ability to do

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different voices for characters. No,
most people don't. And people who are

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professionals, that's what they've done their
whole of their lives and it's important to

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recognize. So now, coming back
to your little one, how would you

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say is your relationship with her?
Oh, it's so great. She's turning

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to an October and so she's still
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is fierce, very demanding, and
yeah, she's a very passionate little person.

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So I love seeing her develop and
change each month. And how do

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you see yourself as a mom and
what do you want to bring into the

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relationship so that she will grow to
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I feel very passionately about always making
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So whether that's how she dresses herself
or how she wants to eat her

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food, I just I want her
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I want her to feel capable to
do life without me having to assist in

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everything. And so I try really
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practical skills so that way she can
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what do you Let's say you wrote
love letter to your mom. Now,

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if you were to write a love
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up, let's say when she grows
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I would say a love letter to my

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daughter would look like probably a little
highlight reel of all of our moments together.

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I would probably write a little short
book about, you know, all

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my favorite times with her and the
hard times, just so she can see

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you know that sometimes the hard times
are lovely too, because they show that

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you were willing to stick them out
for each other because you thought they were

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worth it. But I think,
yeah, it would be I keep a

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journal of all of the things she
does, and I would probably use that.

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And what would you tell her so
that she knows how to keep on

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building that strong relationship with you?
I would tell her that I love her

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and that she can trust her own
intuition. I trust that she has a

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good head on her shoulders and that
I'll always be there for her. We

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are each other's you know, friends, and we are each other's cheerleaders,

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but we're also I'm also her mom. I'm more her mom than anything else.

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And what's your message to all the
moms out there. You're doing a

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great job. It's very easy to
feel like you're not doing enough. But

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when it comes down to it,
kids just want to be loved. That's

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really it. My mom loved me, and even despite you know, making

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some choices that were hurtful, because
I knew she loved me, it was

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easy for me to love myself.
And so as long as your kid feels

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valued and loved, they're going to
turn out just fine. That's beautiful.

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did you move from resentment forgiveness to
having a good relationship with her. I'd

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say therapy was key, and then
open communication with my mom. My mom's

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a very open book, so it's
very easy to have hard conversations with her,

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which is a gift, I would
say, being able to tell her

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how hard it was for me made
it easy to move on because in relationships

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where you can express yourself fully,
it's easier to heal. And so I

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felt like I was able to say
what I needed to say and then have

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her validate me and say I'm so
sorry, And it made it very easy

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to move on, where a lot
of times we get stuck when we don't

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feel validated or don't have a place
to share what we were feeling. Then

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you just kind of get hung up
on it. Where I was lucky because

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I got to just move through it
pretty quick, got it so you didn't

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mention therapy. What would you say
if somebody was looking for what you're healing

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steps or something, milestones where people
can recognize as you are sharing your journey

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that yes, I'm healing. Signs
to recognize your healing, I would say,

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probably signs to recognize your healing are
that relationships with the people around you

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start feeling different. You'll kind of
notice that maybe even the way you view

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yourself starts feeling different. But for
me it was I noticed the way I

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viewed my mom and ized relationshipship felt
different. The way I viewed my husband

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and my relationship started to feel different. I just things started to gradually shift.

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And yeah, you can't even put
your finger on exactly how. Sometimes

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it's just it's feeling better. It
feels yeah, it feels easier, It

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feels less like a weight. So
you said it, it feels less like

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a weight. So when you shift
from having a relationship as a burden,

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that yes, you're there in the
relationship and that's one of the signs probably

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that tells you that something needs to
be done about it, whether it's a

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relationship with yourself, like if you're
stuck or self sabotaging and moving to a

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place where there is lightness and more
life to it. Thank you for sharing

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that. Thank you so, Rachel, what would be your top two to

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three tips for our listeners so that
they can get on a journey of healing

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and living a life with that lightness. Yeah, I would say, first,

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identify the why of why you're doing
a behavior that doesn't give you that

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lightness. Secondly, go to therapy
and discuss with the people who are contributing

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to the heaviness and see how you
can carve out, you know, a

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different relationship. And then thirdly,
just patience, patience with yourself and with

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the people you're working with, m
beautiful. Where can people find you?

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Where they where can they find your
memoir and how can they connect with you?

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Yeah? I have an Impossible Life
is the book, and it's on

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Amazon, Kindle and paperback, and
then I have an Instagram it's just Rachel

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dot set away and those are the
ways. We also have a website and

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Impossiblelife dot com if they want to
look at any of the stuff about the

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book. Well, lovely, thank
you for joining us. Thank you absolutely

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a pleasure having you, and we
wish you your mom and your little one

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and your whole family the best and
continue lighting the way for people to have

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better lives. Thank you so much, absolutely, Thank you listeners for joining

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us because without you, the show
would not be possible. And thank you

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one for all the technical support that
you provide. So until next time,

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be well and take care. Thank
you for being part of Beyond Confidence.

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With your host via Park, we
hope you've learned more about how to start

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living the life you want. Each
pecome Beyond Confidence, you hear stories of

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real people who've experienced growth by overcoming
their fears and building meaningful relationships. During

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Beyond Confidence, Diva Park shares what
happened to her when she stepped out of

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her comfort zone to work directly with
people across the globe. She not only

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coaches people how to form heart connections, but also transform relationships to mutually beneficial

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partnerships as they strive to live the
life they want. If you are ready

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to live the life you want and
leverage your strengths, learn more at www

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dot dvapark dot com and you can
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