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This is beyond confidence and now here's your

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host div Park. Good morning listeners, It's Tuesday, and I want to

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share a quick story with you.
So yesterday I was out walking with my

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friend and I somebody had booked on
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and I really like to be on
time, so we were cutting it close.

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So I told my friend would you
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walk shorter? And so she came
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have seen and developed. Like so, she saw the mural going up like

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you know, starting from people painting
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you it's one of the most uplifting
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bring on our guests. Hello, Thank

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you Davia. Good to talk with
you this morning. Absolutely, it's a

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pleasure to have you so k do
you recall any moment or a person from

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your childhood that left a positive mark
on you? Oh? Absolutely. You

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know some of those early teachers who
clearly believed in me, right, a

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first grade teacher, missus McCormick,
who saw maybe more potential in me than

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I saw even within myself. You
know, she believed in me in a

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way that she had this great activity
where everybody got to be president of the

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class for one week and the role, you know, it wasn't onerous.

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I think you had to lead the
pledge of allegiance and some other things like

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that, but it puts you in
front of people and it said, Okay,

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you have the ability right to lead, and you might be uncomfortable,

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and you might be scared, you
might be afraid, but step up and

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see what you can do. And
of course she had no idea that,

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you know some you know, fifteen
eighteen years later I would be president of

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my senior class in Charlotte, North
Carolina. But I think she instilled that

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kind of confidence in me through her
leadership and faith in me. Love that

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and so many times people think that
they're not leaving a mark. They may

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be thinking, I'm tired at the
end of the day. And it's so

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important regardless whatever you are, whatever
work you're doing, never ever forget that

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you have your circle of influence and
in that sphere of influence you will be

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making an impact. What a beautiful
story. So, Craig, you mentioned

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you alluded that you were president of
your senior class in high school, So

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definitely that tells us a lot that
you were probably very just diciplanned and into

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different things. So tell us a
little bit about that period in your life.

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Well, I think you know,
in junior high and high school,

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we're not maybe good at editing ourselves. We kind of put ourselves out there,

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and that foolishness can also result in
surprising things. So, you know,

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when I put myself forward, you
know, running for office at age

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sixteen, it was actually rooted,
I think in failure. I think maybe

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in seventh or eighth grade I ran
for student council. I was a new

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kid in town in Charlotte, North
Carolina, and maybe I didn't know enough

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people and I got up on stage
and I was I was absolutely quivering.

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I was literally shaking like this and
making jokes about it on stage, but

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it wasn't funny, you know,
I was kind of melting down publicly.

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And that experience of failure actually,
I think inspired me to work on myself,

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to work on my skills, to
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then, you know, as senior
class president, one of my last roles

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was to read all the names at
graduation, which we had a big class

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at East me High School, was
probably maybe six hundred and fifty great and

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so to stand in front of a
stadium full of you know, probably you

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know, close to two three thousand
parents and loved ones and pronounced names,

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which is a lot of pressure,
right, getting people's names right. But

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that just how much you can grow
in three, four or five years by

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leaning into your honest fears and working
to overcome them rather than being crushed by

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them. Definitely. So as you
went into college, which direction did your

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life take? At the time,
I was thinking a lot about politics.

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I went to a boys state,
which is a you know, political approximation,

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and I saw the way the game
was played. I saw a lot

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of the positioning and ambition, and
it actually was off putting to me.

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Uh, maybe didn't necessarily have the
best interests of those they are representing.

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They were kind of, you know, kind of endless self promoters, and

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I thought that is not as attractive
as I thought it was going to be.

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And so going to Davidson College in
North Carolina, there was a strong

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emphasis on the liberal arts, and
so I took I had to take classes

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in a bunch of different areas.
I took political science quickly, and and

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then I started taking classes like English
and art, particularly studio art and painting,

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and discovered that I like that creative
endeavor of reading, of writing,

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of trying to express things on canvas. They had a couple of classes in

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filmmaking, and I took both of
them my freshman year, so I was

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already out of film classes. There
wasn't a film major at Davidson at that

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time. But what I ended up
heading towards was that creative realm, that

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storytelling realm. And I think just
the fundamentals of studying, you know,

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Shakespeare, studying some of the great
novelists and poets throughout time gave me a

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base of of how how we can
and have expressed ourselves. And then the

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power of art to develop empathy,
to build bridges to understand other people's experience

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through what they've written. You know, a book like Invisible Man by Ralph

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Ellison helps helped helped me understand what
it feels like to be invisible, to

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to be overlooked, and and so
that gave me this sense of adventure and

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wanting to go beyond my experience and
enter into others situations. So, if

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you're open, I'd like to discuss
the point where you mentioned that you know,

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you had the feeling of being invisible. Tell us about that time in

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your life and what was it that
happened. Well, when I graduated,

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I went to teach in Tokyo,
Japan. In a suburb outside Tokyo,

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and at the time, you know, I was a for the first time

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in my life. I was a
minority in a majority culture where you know,

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the Japanese as a as a an
island, they have developed their own

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culture, very unique, very strong
culture, and so to step into that,

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I immediately felt a little bit of
what it meant to be a foreigner.

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Right, there's a very strong word
they have for that guy, gene.

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So that was one of the first
words I learned in Japanese because that's

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a word they were talking and ascribing
to me. I was being viewed as

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a foreigner. I was being viewed
as other, and so there were times

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on the subway where I wanted to
be invisible, I wanted to blend in,

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and I was always being called out
and singled out. And so there

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I am reading Invisible Man about someone
who, because of prejudice, felt like

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he was invisible, felt like he
didn't fit in, and I was having

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that exact same experience as a minority
for the first time in my life.

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And then I started to understand where
you start to self doubt and you start

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to self sabotage. You're may be
hesitant to speak because you're not sure if

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you have the right words, or
if you'll be laughed at or dismissed,

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whether your communication style will be accepted
and get through, and so then you

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start to yes self doubt and say
I don't know, maybe I shouldn't and

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and you start to shut down.
And so the person you, the person

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you once were, become something else
because of that environment. So there was

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a very good experience, I think
for me to be on the other side

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of what it feels like to be
viewed as an outsider, to be viewed

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as other. Would you say it
felt like that little total you know,

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who retreats back into his shell and
that zone of comfort. Well, yeah,

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and that was a very very weird
feeling, you know, for me,

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you know, someone who had been, say a class president, who

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was used to being in front of
crowds. Suddenly I'm in Japan and it's

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like I don't have the words,
I don't have the pronunciation, I don't

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know what the social rules are,
and I have to withdraw and kind of

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watch and observe and just try to
say, I don't really know what's going

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on here. I have to kind
of figure out what the social mores are

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what the social contracts are, and
not step over into air areas where I

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don't understand the culture, I don't
understand the unwritten rules of how things operate.

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How long did you end up staying
there? Almost two years? In

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Japan, I loved the variety of
students that I was able to teach.

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I was teaching in kind of an
after school school, so I had everything

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from you know, teenagers who were
coming in after classes that day and wanted

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to get better in English conversation,
as well as business people who were looking

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for a creative edge and said maybe
if I polish my English skills, I'll

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be better, you know, and
get a promotion within my job. And

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so that range from kids to adults
and even older adults was really a great

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experience, great cross section of Japan
circa in nineteen eighties. So on one

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hand, you were experiencing in the
mainstream this feeling often visibility, and yet

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there were people, as you mentioned, cross sections of different generations coming and

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aspiring to be better communicators in English. So how did you feel in your

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classroom? Well, I was also
interested, So I was teaching to some

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degree the same material, but the
response would change based on the dynamics of

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the class. You might have a
class of young people who'd come out of

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school and they didn't really want to
study, they didn't really want to speak.

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Maybe their parents wanted them to be
there, and so they were less

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cooperative. And so in some cases, my better students were the older students

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who had chosen to be there.
They were more actively engaged, and so

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to see the same material have varying
degrees of effectiveness was actually helpful, and

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I started to realize it wasn't necessarily
about me as a communicator, but I

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was really dependent on the audiences openness. You know, the students. Could

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they meet me and would they meet
me halfway? Would they enter into a

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risky behavior? Would they take chances
by speaking a language that they felt uncomfortable

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with, Would they risk being laughed
at by their classmates as they tried to

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pronounce a word that they weren't quite
sure of, And so they were entering

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into that kind of invisibility or that
fear that can often grip us and keep

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us from being our best selves.
So, once you finished your time period

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in Japan, what lessons did you
bring back? I think the power of

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cross cultural communication the power of observing
and perceiving what's going on, of listening

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before you speak, the idea that
my way or my heritage or my background

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may not be the only way,
and having much more humility towards that.

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The other thing I think living abroad
did was train me to enter into new

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experiences, trying things that I hadn't
tried before. Right the first time you

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try raw fish, you're not sure. It's like it's uncooked. I don't

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know, is this going to kill
me? And of course you taste some

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exquisite sushi in downtown Tokyo and you're
like, this is actually delicious? How

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have I missed this my whole life? And then you come back to the

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States and you're like, where can
I find such? You know, great

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things? So I actually, on
my way out, I loaded my bag

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with all the things I thought I
wouldn't be able to find back in America.

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The different kinds of foods, the
different teas, curries, all these

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different things that I wasn't sure i'd
be able to find in the States.

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They're more readily available now, but
you know, thirty years ago not so

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much so. Thirty years where you're
able to find as good of dishes or

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food or sushi. After coming back
here, no, you know, I

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mean North Carolina. You know,
there were some cultures, but it was

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it was not as diverse a community
as it is now. It's actually expanded

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much more where you have different cultures, different tastes, different experiences that you

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that have actually I think strengthened the
state and strengthened local communities. So after

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coming back to the US, what
did you venture into. I've worked with

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young people for a number of years
as a mentor, working with an organization

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called Young Life that did I think
really good work at entering into kids,

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teenagers, questions, their pain,
their angst, coming alongside them as an

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encourager as a mentor. Through that
process, I met my wife. She

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was a volunteer with the organization as
well, and we worked in a cross

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cultural setting. We crossed over from
you know, maybe the which might call

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the the south side of Charlotte,
which tends to be a wealthier side of

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town. We literally crossed the tracks
across the freeway to West Charlotte where opportunities

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and maybe school experiences weren't as strong, and so we started an after school

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program similar to what we were doing
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setting, uh for uh teenagers who
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after school. We partnered with local
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to rise up towards h you know, a college degree that they maybe hadn't

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imagined. They had the capacity,
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maybe have enough experience, and so
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beside them through the young life setting
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can do this, you can do
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know, let's apply what you know
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the capabilities, they had the skills, they just did not know about it.

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getting married, my wife and I
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a short term experience, maybe a
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master's degree, and it became really
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thirty plus years. We've been Californians
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I got to California, I discovered
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business and in the entertainment business who
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major that was interested in stories and
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that all of that training that I'd
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handy that people could actually pay you
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California and became a screenwriter. Oh
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words that they know about? I
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maybe the Disney channel at four in
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see some of my some of my
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always say, right, what you
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a dog who inherits his master's British
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British Royalty. That was my own
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that was called The Duke, and
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had another film that I wrote that
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and that was not a time when
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things I was making were being impacted
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in two days, depending on what
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so the process of encouraging people to
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maybe it, you know, the
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happen. But to get up and
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That that that grit that you need
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that that kind of muscle is really
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wonderful, and what you're talking about, you you spend two years and then

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it can be gone in two days
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it's like a huge weight sitting on
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to take it. And as you
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so, you know, my wife
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get so in your head with these
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got out of the house a bit. And so she encouraged me to teach

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even one day a week, and
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in Hollywood program for students who's maybe
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so you had students from all over
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dreams. And I found that I
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their creativity, in their risk taking, in bringing you know, whatever their

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own life experiences was to bear into
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I found that I appreciated what we
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much people could grow in you know, ten weeks, twelve weeks, fourteen

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weeks, growing in their confidence,
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get to understand the entertainment business.
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say had a kind of a larger
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storytellers within a tradition that were responding
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became very, very successful. And
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coach. I was a good encourager
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to get over their self sabotage that
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whether they be business endeavors or creative
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teaching, you know, you went
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lot of entrepreneurs and creatives out there
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a passion art, doesn't make any
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there's so many successful people where you
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on coming back to it till you
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it to together your skill set of
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others become so technically you found your
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just kind of anchored, like not
knowing there to anchor. What would you

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tell them? Well, I would
encourage people to lean into both their passions,

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right their giftings. There's a reason
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I loved film because I think I
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write a different story for my own
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different ending, maybe than the script
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love the things you love and try
to figure out can I be paid to

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do the things I love? Right? I loved watching movies. It never

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occurred to me I could actually make
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teaching. It was a bit of
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I actually really loved watching others succeed. I loved coaching others towards success,

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and that gave me deep satisfaction.
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new enterprise, a new story,
you're satisfied to see the product get to

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market, but you're also really satisfied
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to see the concepts that I had
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to communicate in idea, to see
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And then you know, starting to
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or figuring out that they could be
a comedian and starting a stand up career,

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or you know a kid from Hawaii
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help him tell a movie like Short
Term twelve, which can get him enough

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notice in Hollywood that eventually he is
directing Shang Chi for Marvel. That's a

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beautiful thing to see because I know
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yet I also know how he has
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story and put it on the big
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Absolutely, it's basically you are amplifying
the impact that you want. It doesn't

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matter whether it's your story or whether
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even harder and more powerful to do. So, can you share some practical

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strategies for crafting cohesive and impactful work. Well, it's interesting I wrote my

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new book, Honest Creativity was rooted
in a lot of the anxiety that I

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saw rising within my own students,
where they felt like they were being potentially

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replaced before they even started by machines
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writers who thought chat GPT might replace
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to do is call people back to
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our aspirations, our limitations, and
try to look at those things as

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strengths rather than as weaknesses, and
try to say that that fear that we

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all share, that lack of confidence, that wonder that we all carry,

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that is what makes us human.
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storytelling. The starting point of a
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needs, your own wants, your
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Mm hmm definitely, because in that
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going to be identified by others as
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been said, what is personal as
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is okay, now you've looked inward
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approach that our weaknesses and shortcomings can
be as strends. But what's the journey?

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What is the strategy or what are
some actionable steps that people can take

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from having that fear and being comfortable
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first effort may not be a masterpiece. You know that your first business may

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not be the home run. It's
practicing, you know. For a musician,

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right, it's literally learning your scales. For a business person, it

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might be working for someone else and
watching them. If you want to be

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in the film business, it's often
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somebody else do their work, and
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making. You might say, I
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that actually helps you grow in confidence
as you see someone who maybe is making

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decisions that you wouldn't. They might
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you know what, I think I
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make more money. I think I
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think I experienced that even you know, in film school, I saw some

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of my fellow graduates and some of
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like, I think I could probably
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as they can, and so learning
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not take the big journey. You
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about students often wanting to be,
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or Greta Gerwig. They have these
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know, make a masterpiece. But
everybody starts small, you know. Martin

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Scorsese's first breakthrough film was a five
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of a mirror. It was called
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who starts and he nicks himself a
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of blood that comes out, and
then he nicks himself again, and he

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by the end of it, he's
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similar to the way most Martin Scorsese
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But what you discover in the film
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as a metaphor for the Vietnam War
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little and a little cut and suddenly
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Greg Gerwig's early films, she was
in other people's films. She was

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in a bunch of guys' films,
and she probably saw a lot of these

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guys where they were casting her as
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and she kept thinking, you know
what, I could do this better.

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I could actually be funnier, and
why don't we make this story more

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the woman's story than the man's story. And all of those things were little

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steps towards making her films like Lady
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movie. Right, she's the most
successful a woman who directed the most profitable

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film you know of twenty three and
she started out really as like fourth or

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fifth person on the screen, but
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do it better, and she certainly
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talked to you book, it's also
helpful to have a community that not only

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supports you but also challenges you.
And how do you know which people do

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have in your community? Because as
they say, you are the sum total

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or you're the average of are you
the sum of five people? You surround

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yourself with It's a great question.
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businesses, in creative endeavors, you
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can take a while to find the
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a songwriting duo called Jerry Goffin and
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they were doing teenage love songs like
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people thought, oh, Jerry Goffin, he's the genius behind this. Well,

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only when they broke up do you
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one who wrote You've got a friend. You know. She's the one,

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you know who had maybe more creativity
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grow in confidence and it took her
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How do you find the right partners? It's tough. I mean, if

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you think about the Beatles, they
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or three different drummers. It was
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and it took a while before Ringo
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them as a group. But even
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who had the extra I would call
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their music was capable of, how
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those partners, finding those producers,
finding those editors, the people who complete

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our weaknesses, is very very important
process. I think, finding those collaborators,

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it often arises from our ability to
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of the folks I read about in
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got very famous for writing TO Kill
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dying did we did her publishing company
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Go Set a Watchman, I believe
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an early version of Atticus Finch that
is much less heroic, much less aspirational

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than the finished heroic version of the
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in To Kill a Mockingbird. Well, it turns out that Harper Lee's editor

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was the one who said, I
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in this early draft. He doesn't
inspire me. And she said, well,

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it's based on my dad and he
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said, well that may be fine, but I don't necessarily want to follow

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that character, and Harper Lee,
we listened to her editor and said,

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will I will change him and make
him more idealized. And of course that

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idealized version into Kila Mockingberg has been
read by millions of school children. Everybody

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experiences it in junior high here in
America, and it shows us kind of

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our best aspirational self. Absolutely,
So it sounds like, you know,

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you have pulled your life experiences into
your books. So tell us a little

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bit more about your book and what
can people learn from it? Well,

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I think my hope is that it
will give us confidence to create, will

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help us overcome that fear that AI
may be engendering in people by saying,

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you know, beyond AI, I
think is that older power called HI.

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That's human imagination, that's human ingenuity, That's that human innovation that I think

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will always outthink and out maneuver even
the best tools that we might create.

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So to look at AI as a
tool rather than as a crutch, to

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look at AI as a possibility rather
than as a competitor, and to realize

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that our strength, our power,
our imagination will ultimately prevail and will be

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what continues to make us unique in
the marketplace of ideas. That is so

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true, So do share with us
the title of your book and where can

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people find it? Sure, the
book is called Honest Creativity and you can

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find it Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and hopefully at your local bookseller.

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Please support independent bookstores. A big
fan of those, you know, those

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community gathering points, So if they
don't have it on their shelves, they'll

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order it for you. Be there
a couple of days mm hm. And

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how can people connect with you?
I'm a fairly social person. You can

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find me on Instagram and Facebook and
Twitter and all the usual places. My

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website's Craig Datweiler dot com. You
can see the different kinds of books that

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I've written, almost all really helping
us understand culture better, understanding movies,

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music, TV, fashion, sports, and looking at those culture shapers.

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So Honest Creativity I talk about Taylor
Swift, Beyonce, Billie Eilish, all

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the women shaping pop music today,
and how do they tap into their own

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creativity and continue to captivate us.
M hmm. Absolutely, So, as

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you have pulled everything together in your
book, tell us about your philanthropic Oh

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yes, yes, so well,
yeah, I lead an organization called the

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Wedgwood Circle, and we try to
invest in people who are doing good,

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true and beautiful work at early points
in their career where they may need some

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encouragement where you know, five thousand
dollars could make a big difference in helping

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them get that first album done or
or getting them launched on a tour to

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accompany it. And so we've actually
invested in probably over one hundred different musicians

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over the last you know, decade
or so, and I recently looked in

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like the top, you know,
twenty five or thirty of our people we've

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invested in. I mean, they're
being heard by twenty to thirty million people

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every month, and that could be
people like John Batiste was someone that early

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on, we we gave him some
port when he was trying to figure out

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some musical instruments. Right, He's
got these kind of crazy key boards that

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he blows in and stuff, and
he needed some money to buy some instruments,

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and we gave him that before he
was on the Late Show with Colbert

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and before he'd won you know,
five Grammys. But you know, it's

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it's seeing that potential, seeing that
creative spark in a young person and realizing

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that a little bit of investment can
go a long way. Right Like,

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we didn't, We didn't create John
Batiste, right, we didn't. That

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talent was already in him, but
he needed a little money to get from

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one one step to another. And
so we love to provide that kind of

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bridge to aspiring and talented young people. Absolutely so, if any of our

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listeners and audiences seeking to apply for
that one little step that will take them

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towards success us, how can they
find that? Yes, the Wedgwood Wedgwood

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Circle dot com is our website and
you can find us there and you'll see

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some of the other people you know
that we backed, whether that's a band

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like Sleeping at Last or Johnny Swin. You know these are They're beautiful the

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work they do. Maddy Cunningham and
someone who did a concert for us during

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COVID and she's gone on to win
Best Folk Album, won a Grammy for

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that her most recent album. So
there's a lot of talent out there.

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I hope people will continue to nurture
their gifts, to not be afraid,

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but to put themselves out there,
to open themselves up to criticism. But

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also open themselves up to being uh
discovered and and and finding those partners that

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they'll need along the journey, whether
that's agents, managers, lawyers, publicists,

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all the all the team that we
often need to take our career and

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our products to the next level.
Absolutely, is there any last piece of

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wisdom that you'd like to share?
I would just say, fear not.

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You know, it's a time of
great uncertainty and it makes us, you

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know, tend to tense up.
And once we get very tense, it's

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very hard to be creative, right, So I want us to approach life

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with open hands, you know,
rather than closed fists, and I think

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you do a great job of that. Diva here on beyond Confidence. Well,

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thank you, Greg, and we
appreciate your joining and opening up and

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sharing your wisdom with our audience because
that's our goal to empower people so that

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they can transform their lives and keep
on achieving great things. So thank you

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for joining us, and thank you
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